Impressions of the new Nikon D7500

jay_dean

Senior Member
Re: Initial impressions of the new Nikon D7500

My impression is that many if not most people here are posting pretty extreme and unbalanced "it's a dog" comments,
Its not that its a dog, it'll be a capable camera no doubt, its just a disappointment in areas some find important
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
Re: Initial impressions of the new Nikon D7500

My impression is that many if not most people here are posting pretty extreme and unbalanced "it's a dog" comments, so yes they are 'haters'. Am I a D7500 fanboy? Nope. All cameras are a compromise. For some the omissions such as only one card slot will be a deal breaker. But to say that because it has only one card slot that it is a 'fail' is absurd.
I don't mean to imply I think the D7500 is a "dog"; I think it's an oddball.
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Ironwood

Senior Member
One slot, grip, and ais lens compatibility aside, it will be a better camera than the D7200 for most things, it's undeniable, just like the D7200 was an improvement over the D7100 albeit minor. It is up to the user to decide if it warrants them to upgrade, just like I decided the D7200 wasn't enough improvement for me to upgrade. I will be sitting on the fence for a while to see how it pans out.
 

Danno_RIP

Senior Member
Re: Initial impressions of the new Nikon D7500

This thread reminds me of the ones that were around when I wanted to upgrade from my D3200. Most D7100 owners saw no reason to upgrade to the D7200.

I was going D7100 because I couldn't see the benefits of the price jump until there was a killer price on a D7200 referb. That made the difference.

IF I were ready to upgrade my D7200 today I would go to the D500. Not because the 7500 is a bad camera but because the D500 has more of MY must haves.








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spb_stan

Senior Member
It is an internet truism that any new product is immediately panned if it does not meet some imaginary list check points. Just like all the others that were panned in the weeks between announcement and shipping,most of the noise is realized to be just internet babble. Why even comment on something a person is not interested in? Would people do to their spouse if they announced a new item of clothing? I hope not, but the internet is not like real life where you see the wider range of experience with of the person or thing being discussed.
I think this and very announcement going back years is pretty interesting. Will I buy it? No, but it would be fine addition to the kit I I had money that was more usefully spent on something else. Unless a camera kit is beyond repair and the lighting and lens department were fleshes out optimally I don't recommend any one update a camera, it is the least important element of your kit.
Will it sell? Yes, the biggest advantage over all other current models below the D500 is the image processor and sensor. For sports shooters who need JPG sent during the game, and don't already have a D5 or D500, it is a no brainer. JPGs are just better in low light and high ISO compared to any other brand or model. After a weekend of really thrashing a D500, and comparing to my D800, no question, straight out of camera JPGs are much better in the same conditions on the D500 at 12k or 25k ISO. Dramatic difference in color fidelity and perceived noise. That sensor and new rendering engineer is a Nikon breakthrough. The D500 essentially killed sales of the 7DII because of this, files come out much better in tough conditions. For RAW files, the D7x00 or D5x00 are fine for any normal shooting requirement, there is no reason to upgrade anything unless one just likes the smell of new cameras, for normal shooting or where there is controlled light. Even sports shooters with credentials don't need the high iso everyone seems to go gaga over, pro lighting in televised games has great light.
For now, I will stay with my very reliable and capable D7000 as a second camera to my D800 for events, weddings, and portraiture/fashion. A better return on investment comes from lighting, and lenses. One very good prime in 3 popular FLs is enough for any but BIF and pro sports as an ungrade over the slow zooms.
This new model will be a fine camera for people who want its features, and its price point, that is slightly lower than my D90 when it was new.
My advice is go shoot what you have, it is good enough if the composition, story and lighting is appropriate for the story you want to tell.
 

sonicbuffalo_RIP

Senior Member
My advice for anyone wanting a D7500 is to wait for Nikon to work the bugs out through upgraded firmware or such, and then look for refurbished units after a while provided a better camera doesn't come along in the meantime.
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
I think the "problem", if there is one, with the D7500 is that it's confusing. And confusion often leads to frustration and frustration to anger.

Compare this release to that of the D500. I don't think anyone was trying to deny Nikon did anything but slam that one out the proverbial park. Oh I'm sure some people were PO'ed it didn't do 500 frames per second and have a frozen-yogurt dispenser but those people are idiots and we all understood that.
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JuleSolo

Senior Member
Re: Initial impressions of the new Nikon D7500

Hey Danino, (I am also from London but have lived in California for 35 years).

I have (and love) my 24mb D5300.

I have done a side by side spec comparison to the D7500 and cannot for the life of me see where it is any better.

• The sensor is the same size but less pixels
• I believe it is Expeed 5, so a slightly faster processor
• I am limited to ISO 12,100 - rarely go about 400, and then a max of 1,500
• 8 shots per second instead of 5 and more focus points

In actual picture quality, can anyone explain why the 7500 might be better - to me it would be a retrograde step.
 

Samo

Senior Member
I viewed images from the 7500 tonight and all I can say is the sensor is incredible and Canon better have a good magic trick or two up their sleeves or they will be left mopping up the tears of their faithful! Nikon said they were going to focus on the high end. What I think they really meant was they were putting everything they have in the dslr market. Sony sensors??? A big HAHAHAHA!!!

For you entry level budget folks just wait Nikon has a power pinch hitter on deck just for you! :) If they say wow you must have a really great camera just reply with a big old grin and nod your head yes.
 

Danino

Senior Member
Re: Initial impressions of the new Nikon D7500

Its not that its a dog, it'll be a capable camera no doubt, its just a disappointment in areas some find important

Agreed about it being a very capable camera.The disappointment in expectations which is mostly the case with the great majority of camera manufacturers when a new model/variant is introduced to the market.
 
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BirdBrainDeb

Senior Member
My D7100 has seen much better days so it was time to go shopping. I wasn't ready for FX yet, and altho the D500 was on the radar, it was out of my budget range a little. Losing a card slot doesn't hurt me, I had mu D7100 setup to use the second slot as overflow and never touched it. I shoot RAW, so i'm a little irritated the camera raw hasn't yet been updated, Can't do anything :(

So far I think it's a fine camera for my needs. i was shooting some birds as i was loosing light, and some of the very high ISO images weren't too bad. Was kinda of impressed.
 

spb_stan

Senior Member
A few points:
Many are making more of the construction than it needs to be. Monocoque does not mean machining or casting as one piece as one poster stated. It means the shell is structural, and can be of almost any type of construction including casting but more often it is just a structural load bearing skin, as in aircraft, eggs, race cars, old SLR film camera, tower cranes and many materials can be used. The word itself is French meaning single shell.


Structural plastics can be very strong and more impact resistant than metal. There is no rash of broken mounts in any cameras but mag.castings have been problematic in Nikons. The D800 cast frame broke to often and the main reason why the 810 was rushed out, to address the cracked frames that rendered the cameras too costly to repair. IF you want to buy a used D800 or other camera in the pro series, have it checked for frame cracks at the bottom.


The D7500 is being slammed for not having a second slot as it has been deemed as essential yet what other brands, will loyal repeat customers have single slots? All of them except Nikon. No one seems to complain and those brands are in the hands of more pros who you would expect to complain if it really was essential. I use both slots but on my D7000 and D800 and never had a a situation where 1or 2 slots would have made a difference in any way. Between my 3 DSLRs, that is about 400,000 frames and never a session was saved or ruined by the card slot count.


The complaints about no grip provisions probably reflects market research. Very few people use grips. I see thousands of tourists every week and note what cameras they have, and most are mid level, like D5xxx or D7xxx, and a surprising number of D8x0 and Dx(single digit integrated grips) and about the only grips I see are on those with grips integrated into the body. The connector on the bottom is a corrosion and liquid entry risk if one is NOT using a grip so Nikon probably calculated the removal would make the camera more affordable and more reliable. Besides, release function is accessible from BlueTooth so in a few weeks or months a BlueTooth grip for $30 will be available from China.The whole D7x00 series has been so far very frugal with battery capacity. My D7000 is seldom needs charging, batteries last a long time, about 3k files if you do not chimp all the time or do videos. It has a grip but I don't even put a battery in the body anymore, and use the extra battery for the D800, 3 batteries are enough for about the same shot count as the D7000.


Overall, I think the D7500 is suffering from only one problem; initial enthusiast disappointment based on personal preferred options not included. Those are always minor features, not functional defects, because no one can cite a Nikon camera that disappointed in actual image quality in a very long time. This outcry occurs with every new model before its actual advantages become known. Even the D500 for the first few weeks after announcement had a great many complaints and claims that Nikon blew it yet again. I am willing to buck the popular first impressions and say this new body will sell well and be regarded as the best pro-sumer camera for image quality in any conditions. Check back in a year to see who was right:>)
I am old enough to remember the cries when cars introduced new features and abandoned old ones that had no practical reason to be included other than tradition. If we only got cameras or cars that consumer expected, no innovations would have taken place. The price point needs to be a design goal also since a camera not in a narrow price range of the one it replaces does not sell well regardless of how much more is included in the product. The D7500 body is the same price as a D90 kit when it came out. And the dollar was worth more in 2008 than now.
When files start getting shared,the quality of jpgs will cause a lot of people to upgrade, yes, upgrade since the D7200 is very good, the D7500 promises to be better in IQ
 

ejronin

New member
It's a business decision. Can't really keep selling the D500 at $1700 BO, if you basically rebadge it as a 7500 for $600 less now can you? Gotta make the consumer choose how much off the higher tier features the want but in doing so, they valuate the features themselves. Is a second SD card and a couple of other things worth $600? Personally I have no real desire to go to a 7XXX body and plan to go D500. The conspiracy theorist in me says, "looks like they're in the middle of trying to cripple themselves so that when the finally decide to make a comparatively weak mirrorless, it looks comparatively better and they appear to have saved their fanbase." Taken straight from the Apple playbook.

All that stuff in the 7500 is a "feature."
 

Samo

Senior Member
Less than a year Stan. :)

Users will really be up in arms at Christmas when no mirror comes along. Mad because they already spent the camera budget. Then we will get to hear all the usual platitudes yet again.
 
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Blacktop

Senior Member
Less than a year Stan. :)

Users will really be up in arms at Christmas when no mirror comes along. Mad because they already spent the camera budget. Then we will get to hear all the usual platitudes yet again.

I won't be one of them. It's gonna be a long time before anyone comes up with a mirrorless that can track and focus like the D500. FPS is not everything.
 

Samo

Senior Member
I won't be one of them. It's gonna be a long time before anyone comes up with a mirrorless that can track and focus like the D500. FPS is not everything.

I agree but then I am not a latest and greatest sort of camera consumer like many people are. It is the revolutionary stuff that I watch for myself. That being said do not underestimate Nikon or mirrorless in general. It is coming sooner rather than later.

Back OT the D7500 is bringing that track and focus system and for a little over a grand. Winner.
 
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spb_stan

Senior Member
I took a longer look at the spec list for the D7500 and came to the conclusion that many naysayers are not reading it or have vague ideas of some of the spec meanings. For sports, wildlife, street, post processor, and low light shooter, the D7500 will be a significant performance upgrade.

For example both the D7200 and D7500 use the same core AF system but one important component of AF is the RGB metering sensor that is used to track color and position. The D7200 has the same 2k pixel metering sensor that the D7000 and D7100 had. The D7500 has the D500 180,000 pixel rgb sensor which means it will track moving objects in dim light much better and speed AF noticeably. It is not going to track better than the D500 due to its separate dedicated AF processor but it will be better than any other Dx camera except the D500.

Its Group AF tracking mode is a big help also. BIF shooters or sports, action shooters on a budget will love it.

Someone remarked that the sensor and processor did not make much difference. Not sure they understand what the job of the processor is but without any argument, Expeed 5 is a significant improvement in IQ over previous models due to the processor, and accounts for the vast ISO range increase, to over 1.64 Million ISO for 6db snr, upping it 15x over D7200.

For those who process RAW, having 14 bit files is greater depth than the 12 bit of the D7200, and will allow more radical adjustment before falling apart. Greater pushing before banding is visible. As I mentioned before, when I shot with the D500, the color fidelity and noise obtrusiveness at high iso or low light was the most remarkable thing...to me even more impressive than speed or AF. Beginning with the D90, every Nikon camera has been the best in the industry for shadow recovery and freedom from artifacts. The D7100 was the one exception, its sensor did not provide files with the depth to them so a push of shadows of 3 stops usually was the limit before banding and color distortion ruined the image, but even that, was better than the competing Canon models, or even their 5Dmk2 at the time.

For IQ, low light and AF the D7500 will likely be the biggest step upgrade since the D7x00 series started. I could trade a hundred card slots for the improved file quality. As for the other major gripe, there will be cheap grips coming out soon that use Blue Tooth.

The other key argument against the D7500 that was called out as a deal breaker was the removal of the metering index arm, that is less a problem than suggested. All it means is aperture priority will be done manual control on non-cpu lenses. Heck most more experienced shooters always use manual mode. I doubt I have use an auto exposure mode in a year. It is just easier to get what you want in manual mode. Maybe some are confusing aperture indexing for metering indexing. One of the reasons people like old non-cpu manual lenses is they get better images. Why? It is not because they are better lenses(if one is used to kit zooms,than yes most have better glass and construction but they do not have the modern optical formulas and coatings so really are more limited and do not handle flare, CA etc as well as newer lenses). They get better images because the process of taking a photo is more deliberate. Often on a tripod or at least taking time so focus and frame well, and make the focus and exposure more seriously, because if not, the image is bad. Taking the same deliberate steps with a modern lens of similar quality level will be better. I notice a lot of people criticizing the D7500 for not being a big enough upgrade, are using a lot of marginal glass. Nothing wrong with marginal zooms except it is not a fair expectation for a camera to generate far superior images when the limiting factor is a slow zoom lens. There is also a habit of not using light effectively, I guess, thinking that a high spec camera will compensate. With effective use of light, camera body differences fade in significance. A D40 with good use of light beats a D810 in poor or flat light every time. Look at your kit realistically before deciding to spend over $1.2k on a body. What is holding you back from award winning shots? One thing for sure, it is not the camera body. Even the lowest end camera available in the D3xxx series is better than any pro camera less than $6000 10 years ago in IQ and DR. It is not your camera that makes an image good/interesting or bad/uninteresting.

The D7500 would be a great upgrade for those who have the rest of their kit sorted out. For everyone else, a better use of funds would be a decent prime, and some practice with lighting....lighting in this case is not just flash or strobes but good used of available light, or simple modifiers like using a nearby wall as a reflector filling shadows in an outdoor shot.
 
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