Protecting yourself

AC016

Senior Member
Growing up and living for the most of my life in Switzerland, the gun culture in the US seems rather strange.
I have yet to be frightened walking around a city at night in Switzerland.
Not that we do not have no violence or crime, just very little.

Nevertheless, I do not loose the respect of the people here who carry a gun, concealed or not.
I have been to the US many times and spent a year in a high school in Houston and kind of understand the mindset towards guns and protecting oneself.


Switzerland has it's own gun culture: Gun politics in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just a few facts:

Switzerland thus has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world

In 2005 over 10% of households contained handguns, compared to 18% of U.S. households

In some 2001 statistics, it is noted that there are about 420,000 assault rifles (fully automatic, or "selective fire") stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 models (because of mandatory military service).

there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession

Recreational shooting is widespread in Switzerland. Practice with guns is a popular form of recreation, and is encouraged by the government, particularly for the members of the militia.[SUP][17][/SUP] Swiss firearms-related rights are supported by the organization ProTell.

200,000 people attend the annual Feldschiessen weekend, which is the largest rifle shooting competition in the world.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][18][/SUP] In addition, there are several private shooting ranges which rent guns.

It may not be "in your face", but Switzerland seems to like guns quite a bit. Anyone would have thought that the US would hold the largest rifle shooting competition in the world. But now, it's the Swiss who do.



 

AC016

Senior Member
That must be true, wikipedia says so. Even if the statistics are about 10 years old.
Yes, I suppose, shooting as a sport has quite some followers.
And I myself used to have one of those assault rifles at home when I was in the Swiss army.
But nobody carries a gun in public, either open or concealed.
Because there's no need to do so.

Please differ from guns and shooting as a sport and the need (or requirement) of protecting oneself in public.


Everything is cited, so there is documentation to back it up. Whether the stats are 10 years old or not, does not take away from the fact that there is a gun culture. I would beg to differ on your statement that ".... nobody carries a gun in public, either open or concealed." First off, how would you know if they were carrying if the gun was concealed? Secondly, one can get a gun carrying permit in Switzerland. I highly doubt that there is absolutely no one in Switzerland who does not have a Waffentragbewilligung. If it exists, there is obviously a "need". Anyhow, it's nice to learn about different countries and their Gun control laws ;)
 
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Daniel Aegerter

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Sure, it is cited.
The number from the biggest shooting competition is from 1995, this year, the number was way smaller (like 75000 people less).

There is obviously a gun culture, for the ones that do that as a sport.

For one to be allowed to carry a gun in public, one must prove first that he needs it for his own protection or protection of property.
And that's not so easy to get.

And lastly, I was conveying my personal opinion of carrying guns.
 

Browncoat

Senior Member
To answer the original question: No, I don't carry a firearm with me. I own two guns for home defense, and neither of them lend themselves well for conceal/carry. Although it would be hilarious to walk down the street with my Mare's Leg (.40 lever action cut-barrel rifle).

I'm not really a gun enthusiast per se, nor am I a hunter. However, I do strongly believe in individual rights to own guns. I also believe that an armed populace is a deterrent to crime. Where I live, several teachers in our schools are trained and armed during school hours. We do not have violent crime here.
 

Pretzel

Senior Member
Replying before I read any other comments, so as to keep my responses unbiased. My opinion and thoughts may have already been stated by others. I would also like to point out that my thoughts and beliefs are my own, and should not reflect on any other forum members, forum admin, and/or the forums themselves.

Thanks to the OP who made this topic, I find it fascinating. Coming from a country that doesn't allow guns to be carried I find the comments here amazing, insightful and (not directed towards the posters but the situation) kind of abhorrent. Let me clarify. I have nothing but complete respect for those of you who CC. It is borne out of necessity I am guessing. What I find sad, scary et al is that some of us live in places where this is required.

I wouldn't call it necessity, but more precaution. I compare it to my martial arts training... can't say that, since I started, I have ever needed to use that training, and the plan is that I will NEVER need to use it in my lifetime, yet I still train. Let's face it - although I'm much larger and stronger than I used to be (I can thank another love, Highland Heavy Athletics, for that), I'm also much older, and should a situation arise that a younger man decide to leap in, fists flying, I'd like to think I'd be prepared to protect my pretty face.

I also maintain an AMA roadside assistance plan. Hope I never need it, but I'll sure be glad I've got it if I ever do. ;)

I can honestly say that in my 41 years of living I have never ever once felt my life has been threatened. I have been in brawls etc, but I have never been in a life threatening situation. I guess some of us are truly lucky to live in countries where up till now we have been very protected.

Of you that do CC, how many do you think if push came to shove would actually use it? Is it more a point it and threaten or do you think there would be a time / reason to justifiably use it? Again, I am not asking to judge, I am asking because I don't think I would be able to.

I have been around for 45 years myself, and I've only been in a "life threatening" situation once. I used to manage a retail store on the edge of a section of town that wasn't necessarily full of model citizens, and went through an armed robbery. The bad guy had a gun, already drawn, and I calmly did everything he asked of me so that he would go away. CC wasn't allowed on the premises with that employer, but even then, per the aforementioned martial arts training and his proximity to me, I probably could have disarmed him with a fair expectation of success. Again, I calmly did what he asked instead. My first belief, and what I've taught my kids as well, is that discretion is the larger part of valor. If I had felt that my life, or the life of my employees, were in imminent danger, though, my reaction would have been much different.

Having said that, if "push came to shove", I would use whatever resources I had available to defend myself, my family and/or other innocent bystanders if no other option were available. My ultimate hope is that I will never have to do so, but if I have the opportunity to save a life (or lives) through the use of deadly force, I would do so. Without hesitation.

There is no "point and threaten" though. I'm not one who ever open carries (except on the range) even though my state allows for it (personal choice with no ill will to those who do), and my belief is that you shouldn't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. That's how accidents happen.

Also of you who do CC, do you think you would rather live in a place where guns were banned or are you happy with the "right to bear arms?"

No judging here, truly fascinated.

I definitely prefer to live in a "right to bear arms" environment, and all other discussion aside, I very much enjoy the shooting sports. I love a good day on the range, improving my skill and competing with my wife and friends, and we go regularly.
 

Nero

Senior Member
I live in a pretty good city as long as you stay away from downtown but I still carry whenever I go out just in case. Though people don't usually try to mess with me anyway, and I'm nowhere near as heavy as some other people here but I'm pretty muscular so that helps. :p
 

cwgrizz

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Yes I do, 99% of the time. I grew up being trained in the use of firearms for hunting and defensive purposes. I currently live in a drug/people smuggling corridor because of like others have said..a porous border. There are signs posted by our government a couple hundred miles north of the border, warning all that it is a dangerous area that you need to be aware of before entering. A few months ago, "Coyotes" broke into a house just a few miles from me, but the homeowner, who was asleep upstairs, woke up and managed to discourage them with his firearm. Last year, drug smugglers crashed through the neighbors barbed wire fence with the stolen truck they were using to transport drugs. A couple of years ago a rancher was shot and killed by a suspected cartel member, while checking on his cattle. The shooter's tracks were found going back across the border. I think that is reason enough, from my standpoint. Ha! I will not take flight, I will stand and fight. No one is going to run me off of "my" property. Ha!

Now to the question someone posted about would I have like to have seen a culture of not guns (or something like that). I think it was stated that the US was founded on the culture of the people being armed to aid in the defense of the country. Even more than that, it was founded on the people being able to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. That is another reason, I will keep my firearms. To stay out of the political realm, I will stop there. Ha!
 

cwgrizz

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A side note: Looking at some of your locations, how do you legally CC? Illegally? Don't answer that. Just saying. Ha!
 

Steve B

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A side note: Looking at some of your locations, how do you legally CC? Illegally? Don't answer that. Just saying. Ha!

Which areas are you referring to? My state is a "shall issue" state that issues PTCs (Permit To Carry). Both open and concealed carry are legal with a PTC.


Actually the only areas of the US that do not issue CC permits are American Samoa, District of Columbia, and N. Mariana Islands.
 
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cwgrizz

Senior Member
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Which areas are you referring to? My state is a "shall issue" state that issues PTCs (Permit To Carry). Both open and concealed carry are legal with a PTC.
Your state was not what I was referring to. I have no idea about your state laws, but some of the states and other countries that some live in have some pretty restrictive laws that I am aware of. Some of those states I refuse to travel in just because of the strict firearms laws (Of course I don't like to fly anymore because I can't carry a pocket knife and I have carried one or two since I was 9 years old. I feel naked without one in my pocket, but that's me. Ha!)
 

gizmo285

Senior Member
Which areas are you referring to? My state is a "shall issue" state that issues PTCs (Permit To Carry). Both open and concealed carry are legal with a PTC.


Actually the only areas of the US that do not issue CC permits are American Samoa, District of Columbia, and N. Mariana Islands.

I live in New York State and also have a Pennsylvannia permit with a self defense reciprocy carry for most of all the US. I have had my CCpermit since 1975...
 

J-see

Senior Member
We haven't got the gun-carry option either. Just have a good knife with you. If they're coming for your cam, they're probably coming too close. A knife works at close range. Evidently not something that requires two hands and your teeth to open.
 

montignac

Senior Member
Being a Brit but living in France it is difficult to own a gun let alone carry one. We hear all the time about the shootings at schools etc in the USA and really feel for the people who loose loved ones, but this thread has really bought it home to me how you must feel when out and about doing something as relaxing as photography. I am truly stunned.
 

traceyjj

Senior Member
I'm a moderator on a computer aided design forum based in the US and they often (at least 3 a year which tend to run into pages of "discussion")have gun topics, I have to say that here the thread doesnt seem to have gone off at a tangent with the fors and againsts bickering (or worse!)... its refreshing to see :)

Personally I wouldnt like to feel the need to have to carry or have a gun in the house. Hubby and I have travelled a fair amount in the US and only once did we feel "uncomfortable" in our surroundings... we quickly cancelled our motel booking and drove to the next town and stayed there instead.
 
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