first camera for a newbie

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
If I get a D5300 which len kit?

18-55mm or 18-140mm?
I would tell you the 18-140mm. My girlfriend has shot with a D5300 for some time now so I've had a lot of opportunity to shoot it alongside a D7100. The 18-140 handles and shoots beautifully on both of those bodies. So again, yes; I'm saying the D5300 is worth the extra money based on the feature set it offers. I'm not really advising you which camera to buy, though; I'm simply giving you my opinion, based on my experience.
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
I would tell you the 18-140mm. My girlfriend has shot with a D5300 for some time now so I've had a lot of opportunity to shoot it alongside a D7100. The 18-140 handles and shoots beautifully on both of those bodies. So again, yes; I'm saying the D5300 is worth the extra money based on the feature set it offers. I'm not really advising you which camera to buy, though; I'm simply giving you my opinion, based on my experience.
I read that the 18-55mm have better image quality comparing to 18-140.

Would it be better to get the 18-55mm and get something else to compete the difference to 18-140mm but with better image quality?

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Horoscope Fish

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I read that the 18-55mm have better image quality comparing to 18-140.
Zoom lenses, typically, are a juggling act of IQ versus focal length. The 18-55mm may give better IQ, but how MUCH better and it also has the more limited focal range. You have to weigh for yourself how important each factor in the equation is, and go from there. The 18-55mm is a great little lens but having shot both, I prefer the 18-140mm for the extra reach.


Would it be better to get the 18-55mm and get something else to compete the difference to 18-140mm but with better image quality?
Well you have a lot of options. As a mechanic friend of mine says, "How much money do you have and how fast do you want to go?" If it were me and budget was of concern, I'd pair the 18-140mm with the Nikon 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR and have probably 99% of my shooting covered with two lenses. If budget was of no concern I'd pair the D5300 with a Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM Art and a Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD. But that's me... This is a very subjective topic, though, and there are several things to be considered.
 
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Danno_RIP

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Hi

I'm a total newbie to the photography and looking for my first camera

I would like to take pictures of landscape, street, architecture, macro, black/white and nighttime (like light up buildings and streets)


Thanks

Given your preference for the photography you outlined in the original note why would you not jut buy the camera body and pick lenses that fit your plan.

Given this list, why not consider

10-20 Sigma f3.5 or Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 or 11-20 f/2.8 for landscape and Architecture. I use my Sigma 10-20 for both and really enjoy it, but the Tokina does well also.
35 or 50 mm 1.8 for street photos
and maybe something like a 70-200 f/2.8 from Tamron

Spend some time on Flickr searching photos by lens type and see if they will fill your needs. Than you can have a bit more money for glass you will use.

I wish I had done that when I started out. It would have saved me some money.
 
With the 5300 you are always shooting out of focus pictures because you have no fine focus adjust ...now repeat that 100 times .

then buy a D7100
 

Horoscope Fish

Senior Member
With the 5300 you are always shooting out of focus pictures fine focus adjust ...now repeat that 100 times .

then buy a D7100
I'm a huge advocate of auto-focus fine tuning but saying, "you are always shooting out of focus pictures because you have no [auto-focus fine-tuning]" is nonsense.

My girlfriend's D5300 takes amazingly sharp photos with a variety of lenses.

Some examples: D5300 Users Group on Flickr
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
With the 5300 you are always shooting out of focus pictures because you have no fine focus adjust ...now repeat that 100 times .

then buy a D7100
That's making me doubt about the D5300 lol ... it can't be that big of a difference

If i get the D5300.. then when I upgrade the body in the future I will probably get D7300 or whatever is the best DX body on the market that may be the same price as the D7200 price now

Nice photos guys!

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mauckcg

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That's making me doubt about the D5300 lol ... it can't be that big of a difference

If i get the D5300.. then when I upgrade the body in the future I will probably get D7300 or whatever is the best DX body on the market that may be the same price as the D7200 price now

Nice photos guys!

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Don't listen to him. There are tolerances within both the camera and the lens, depending on where the actual measurements line up to those tolerances sometimes you can get a combination of lens and camera that consistently front or back focus. But there are other factors at play, motion of the object, front/back lit, low contrast setting etc.

I started with a 5200 and started picking up lenses from there. Fantastic camera, great image quality, and the user interface on the back was extremely helpful.

The GUI looked like this
nikon-D5200-GUI.jpg


The three main settings changed on the screen as you changed them in the camera to help you have a better idea of what is going on. I found that very very very useful when i first started this journey.

Plenty of people recommend glass over a body. I'll chime in too. Every lens i have bought in the last few years i still own and use. I've gone through a few camera bodies now but i've kept my lenses. I've never used an 18-140mm, but the 18-55 that came with my D5200 was so-so in image quality.

Since your mostly interested in landscapes, the lenses will be more important. So a refurbed 5300 will allow you to get a Sigma 10-20 or Tokina 11-16.

This is no different than any Ford vs Chevy or Mac vs PC discussion, lots of useful opinions and lots of chaff. Go spend some hands on time with the cameras in a shop, or go out to a camera club meet and see if you can get some hands on experience with them. That will be a better determinator for what will work for you.
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
Don't listen to him. There are tolerances within both the camera and the lens, depending on where the actual measurements line up to those tolerances sometimes you can get a combination of lens and camera that consistently front or back focus. But there are other factors at play, motion of the object, front/back lit, low contrast setting etc.

I started with a 5200 and started picking up lenses from there. Fantastic camera, great image quality, and the user interface on the back was extremely helpful.

The GUI looked like this
nikon-D5200-GUI.jpg


The three main settings changed on the screen as you changed them in the camera to help you have a better idea of what is going on. I found that very very very useful when i first started this journey.

Plenty of people recommend glass over a body. I'll chime in too. Every lens i have bought in the last few years i still own and use. I've gone through a few camera bodies now but i've kept my lenses. I've never used an 18-140mm, but the 18-55 that came with my D5200 was so-so in image quality.

Since your mostly interested in landscapes, the lenses will be more important. So a refurbed 5300 will allow you to get a Sigma 10-20 or Tokina 11-16.

This is no different than any Ford vs Chevy or Mac vs PC discussion, lots of useful opinions and lots of chaff. Go spend some hands on time with the cameras in a shop, or go out to a camera club meet and see if you can get some hands on experience with them. That will be a better determinator for what will work for you.

The 18-55mm vr ii that come with the camera is not great in image quality and you don't really use the 18-140mm.

So should I get a body instead and buy a len that is aimed toward for landscape, street/candid, building/architecture, macro, night time and black & white photos?

I was researching for the best price on the cameras/lens

18-55mm is discontinued but used to sell for $160
18-105mm for $330
18-140mm for $440

D5300 body - $676.87
D5300 18-55mm - $812
D5300 18-140mm - $1106

D7100 body - $1015
D7100 18-105mm - $1377
D7100 18-140mm - $1355

Since you said 18-55mm is so-so image and don't really use 18-140mm ... so I might as well get a body and buy a len for my kind of photos like Danno suggested?

I noticed D5300 with 18-140mm is more money than D7100 body and since you don't use 18-140mm or else ... I get the D5300 with 18-140mm and have that len sitting collecting dust and buying some separate len which seems like a waste where I can get the D7100 body with that separate len for the similar price as D5300 with 18-140mm plus another len or go even cheaper by getting the D5300 body and the separate len

you get what I'm saying?
 
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Lawrence

Senior Member
I'm enjoying this whole thread with the various recommendations.

It is indeed very subjective and at the end of the day it could take months to squeeze the trigger.

Just do it already - all the models mentioned are great. If possible buy f2.8 lenses.
A tripod is not essential and can be picked up for next to nothing second hand to tide you over.

Now hurry up please I want to know what you decide on ... :)
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
I'm enjoying this whole thread with the various recommendations.

It is indeed very subjective and at the end of the day it could take months to squeeze the trigger.

Just do it already - all the models mentioned are great. If possible buy f2.8 lenses.
A tripod is not essential and can be picked up for next to nothing second hand to tide you over.

Now hurry up please I want to know what you decide on ... :)

lmao ... thats my problem with the "various recommendations"

I came here to find a landslide of votes for one camera... pfft it more confusing than ever lol
 

Bikerbrent_RIP

Senior Member
Just go for which ever camera floats your boat. You really can't go wrong with any of them. What you don't want to skimp on are the lenses. If necessary, buy the lenses used or reconditioned (my 80-200 lens was purchased used and it is one of my favorite lenses to this day. Yes, I would like VR on this lens, but don't think the newer lenses are worth the additional money.) The camera you will update in a few years, lenses you will keep much longer. I am still using lenses I picked up in the 1990s but am on my third digital camera (and I didn't upgrade my D200 for almost 10 years because Nikon did not provide a worthwhile upgrade until the D7200 came along.)
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
Just go for which ever camera floats your boat. You really can't go wrong with any of them. What you don't want to skimp on are the lenses. If necessary, buy the lenses used or reconditioned (my 80-200 lens was purchased used and it is one of my favorite lenses to this day. Yes, I would like VR on this lens, but don't think the newer lenses are worth the additional money.) The camera you will update in a few years, lenses you will keep much longer. I am still using lenses I picked up in the 1990s but am on my third digital camera (and I didn't upgrade my D200 for almost 10 years because Nikon did not provide a worthwhile upgrade until the D7200 came along.)

oh wow thats a long time!

I'm thinking of getting the D5300 with the 18-55mm that I can sell the 18-55mm for a premium in a way because we can't get them separately here in Canada and have to get it in the states which costs $250 plus US shipping, customs, and canadian shipping costs as well. So I can sell the 18-55mm high enough that make my D53300 cheaper than the body itself from the store and I will probably get the 35mm 1.8 prime len.

I could get the D5300 or D7100 with 18-140mm but eventually it going to be harder to sell the 18-140mm because it available everywhere both used and new. Also I read that people usually get around 200mm len so what is the point of getting the 18-140mm kit anyway... same goes or D7100 with 18-105mm
 

mauckcg

Senior Member
The 18-55mm vr ii that come with the camera is not great in image quality and you don't really use the 18-140mm.

So should I get a body instead and buy a len that is aimed toward for landscape, street/candid, building/architecture, macro, night time and black & white photos?

I was researching for the best price on the cameras/lens

18-55mm is discontinued but used to sell for $160
18-105mm for $330
18-140mm for $440

D5300 body - $676.87
D5300 18-55mm - $812
D5300 18-140mm - $1106

D7100 body - $1015
D7100 18-105mm - $1377
D7100 18-140mm - $1355

Since you said 18-55mm is so-so image and don't really use 18-140mm ... so I might as well get a body and buy a len for my kind of photos like Danno suggested?

I noticed D5300 with 18-140mm is more money than D7100 body and since you don't use 18-140mm or else ... I get the D5300 with 18-140mm and have that len sitting collecting dust and buying some separate len which seems like a waste where I can get the D7100 body with that separate len for the similar price as D5300 with 18-140mm plus another len or go even cheaper by getting the D5300 body and the separate len

you get what I'm saying?
Never owned an 18-140. That came out with the D7100 i think. At that point i had already bought a Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 C so i bought the body only D7100.

I don't think i have heard a bad thing said about the 18-140 from anybody on this forum.

I hear what you're saying. You're to the fun point where it is about decision time.

A used sigma 10-20 is listed on Adorama for $289. A tokina 11-16 will run you $379 used at the moment.
 

mauckcg

Senior Member
oh wow thats a long time!

I'm thinking of getting the D5300 with the 18-55mm that I can sell the 18-55mm for a premium in a way because we can't get them separately here in Canada and have to get it in the states which costs $250 plus US shipping, customs, and canadian shipping costs as well. So I can sell the 18-55mm high enough that make my D53300 cheaper than the body itself from the store and I will probably get the 35mm 1.8 prime len.

I could get the D5300 or D7100 with 18-140mm but eventually it going to be harder to sell the 18-140mm because it available everywhere both used and new. Also I read that people usually get around 200mm len so what is the point of getting the 18-140mm kit anyway... same goes or D7100 with 18-105mm

18-140 is a nice range for a walk around lens and doesn't compromise image quality like a 18-200 or 18-300 would.

I had a 35 1.8 for a few years, it was a very nice little lense, small, light, compact. Excellent little lens.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
Just to chime in with my opinion.
If God forbid somehow I lost all my gear or I lost my job and had to make due with one camera and one lens and I only had around a 1000.00 dollar budget, I would buy a used/refurb D7100 and an 18-140 mm lens. (Then I would beg and borrow to get a Nikon 70--300 mm VR lens)
 

deafguy87

Senior Member
Never owned an 18-140. That came out with the D7100 i think. At that point i had already bought a Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 C so i bought the body only D7100.

I don't think i have heard a bad thing said about the 18-140 from anybody on this forum.

I hear what you're saying. You're to the fun point where it is about decision time.

A used sigma 10-20 is listed on Adorama for $289. A tokina 11-16 will run you $379 used at the moment.

You saying that when you bought your D7100, they didn't have a 18-140mm kit at the time? and you just bought the body?

I will check out those len suggestions

18-140 is a nice range for a walk around lens and doesn't compromise image quality like a 18-200 or 18-300 would.

I had a 35 1.8 for a few years, it was a very nice little lense, small, light, compact. Excellent little lens.


Yeah I read that the bigger the zoom range, the more possible distortion may occur

How come you don't have the 35mm 1.8 anymore?

Just to chime in with my opinion.
If God forbid somehow I lost all my gear or I lost my job and had to make due with one camera and one lens and I only had around a 1000.00 dollar budget, I would buy a used/refurb D7100 and an 18-140 mm lens. (Then I would beg and borrow to get a Nikon 70--300 mm VR lens)

that 1k aint enough in Canada, barely enough for D7100 body... only $50 difference for a used D7100
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
that 1k aint enough in Canada, barely enough for D7100 body... only $50 difference for a used D7100

I just sold mine a week ago for 500.00 USD. I can't imagine shipping costs to Canada would be that much!


 

Bikerbrent_RIP

Senior Member
I could get the D5300 or D7100 with 18-140mm but eventually it going to be harder to sell the 18-140mm because it available everywhere both used and new. Also I read that people usually get around 200mm len so what is the point of getting the 18-140mm kit anyway... same goes or D7100 with 18-105mm

Don't forget that on a DX camera like a D5300 or D7100 that the 18-140 lens is equivalent to 27-210mm. This covers the 200mm quite nice. However, for landscapes you may find you want wider than 27 mm.
 
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