Problems with D810 RAW files! (solved)

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LensWork

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

zutty said:
Well...It seems that the camera works perfectly with tiff and jpg files and I can use those formats until the new codes are written. I'm pretty much convinced that this is not a defective camera, just a new model that the software needs to catch up on and I'm fairly sure that will happen soon. Now bear with me as I ask....is the tiff format almost the same as RAW?...The files are huge....over 105mg per......Will I lose much quality by using this? At least now I can use lightroom and photoshop...Thanks for all your help guys...Now the question is...Do I keep 'er or not??
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Use the Nikon software to do your raw file edits then from within the Nikon software you can transfer them into Photoshop or Lightroom as 16-bit TIFF files. And yes, D810 TIFF files will be huge, ~105MB. And no, TIFF is not the same as raw.
 
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zutty

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

LensWork said:
The solution is actually quite simple: download and install Nikon Capture NX-D or View NX2 for Mac. These are the only software programs designed to open D810 raw files at this time.
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Nope...Even That won't open the files
 
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aroy

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

LensWork said:
Use the Nikon Capture NX-D software to do your raw file edits then from within the Nikon software you can transfer them into Photoshop or Lightroom as 16-bit TIFF files. And yes, D810 TIFF files will be huge, ~105MB. And no, TIFF is not the same as raw.
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That is the only way to go. I would advise that you do your RAW conversion using Nikon software - View NX-2 or Capture NX-D, both of which are free. Then convert files to 16 bit TIFF.

The size is quite easy to calculate = 36 x 2 x 3 = 36*6 = 212 MB, where 36=MP, 2=2 bytes for 16 bits and 3=Number of colours. Smaller sizes are due to compression. An 8 bit TIFF will be half this size=106MB, but you will loose the colour depth offered by 14bit RAW.
 
Marcel

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

So this takes out a bit of thrill in being the first to receive a new model camera... I remember the feeling ouch!
 
Horoscope Fish

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

I haven't read all five pages of this thread but I'm assuming you've installed the NEF codec for the D810?

Nikon D810 Codec



EDIT: Having read through a few pages of this thread I see I'm not the first to explain to you the need for this update, yet you don't seem to be installing it. It's absolutely *essential* you install this particular bit of software. This is not the same thing as updating Photoshop or Lightroom or Adobe Camera RAW; codecs are the bottom-most layer of software required by your computer to make sense of the specific information your camera uses when writing the RAW file. Without it, there's a breakdown of communication. If you haven't installed this codec, you absolutely need to. If you've done so, I apologize, but I didn't see anywhere in the thread where you specifically state you've installed this codec.
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BackdoorArts

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

I stopped reading 1/2 way through, but I posted something over the weekend warning folks that Adobe's ACR 8.6 is essentially a beta version that wasn't working properly with the D810 RAW files.

http://nikonites.com/d810/24249-adobe-camera-raw-8-6-d810-nef-files.html#axzz38CHWauZr

Solution seems to be to use Capture NX-D for now. This is not unusual with Adobe as D610 users needed to wait weeks post-release before a version of ACR came out to support it, though at least they had a work around by altering the EXIF data. There's always a bleeding edge for folks shooting RAW with a new camera.
 
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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

Horoscope Fish said:
I haven't read all five pages of this thread but I'm assuming you've installed the NEF codec for the D810?

Nikon D810 Codec



EDIT: Having read through a few pages of this thread I see I'm not the first to explain to you the need for this update, yet you don't seem to be installing it. It's absolutely *essential* you install this particular bit of software. This is not the same thing as updating Photoshop or Lightroom or Adobe Camera RAW; codecs are the bottom-most layer of software required by your computer to make sense of the specific information your camera uses when writing the RAW file. Without it, there's a breakdown of communication. If you haven't installed this codec, you absolutely need to. If you've done so, I apologize, but I didn't see anywhere in the thread where you specifically state you've installed this codec.
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The thing is the codec seems to be missing for Mac. I went to Nikon's download center and it does specify that the new codec is available for Windows, nothing for Mac.
 
hark

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

Have you tried changing the properties of one of the images to read as a D800? When I switched from my D600 to D610, Lightroom 4 wouldn't open the NEF (and at the time I didn't convert to DNG). I changed the properties of the files to D600 and could open them with LR4. I'd suggest trying to change just one file and see if you can open it in LR.
 
BackdoorArts

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

hark said:
Have you tried changing the properties of one of the images to read as a D800? When I switched from my D600 to D610, Lightroom 4 wouldn't open the NEF (and at the time I didn't convert to DNG). I changed the properties of the files to D600 and could open them with LR4. I'd suggest trying to change just one file and see if you can open it in LR.
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The D810 is a much different upgrade than the D610 was for the D600 - lots of stuff changed behind the scenes. The 610 was a hurried, "let's get something out so we can setting the D600 mess", release with the RAW files being pretty much identical. This is obviously a different beast or Adobe wouldn't be having the conversion issues with their 8.6 beta release.
 
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wornish

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

I have skipped through the most of this thread but have you read this from Adobe.

Download Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 8.6 Beta - Adobe Labs

The only Adobe software that currently supports D810 raw files is in Beta and its available here.
There are restrictions on which Mac OS is supported as well so not sure what you are running.

Lightroom and Photoshop CC do NOT support D810 NEF files yet. If you use Adobe Camera Raw Converter beta to convert them to DNG format (which is a raw format) then LR 5.5 and PS CS6 will work.
I am not sure what version of Mac O/S your running but there are restrictions on that as well.

Nikon have NX-D release 1.0 for mac available here.

Nikon Imaging | Global Site | Capture NX-D
 
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PaulPosition

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

.dng is NOT raw anymore than tiff is. As a matter of fact, .dng is tiff with a different header and some Adobe tweaks.

Both format make good "digital negatives", with support for as much bit depth (12, 14...) as provided by NEF, but there's one big difference : they're RGB while a raw file is, sorta, RGBG until it's been "de-bayered" during conversion to other format.

Now I'm not saying there's ANY advantage at all(*) to having Bayer-pattern files over RGB ones, just pointing out the difference.

(*) Maybe there's one : some other thread talks about up-sizing raw files before post-processing for better resolution and it *may* have to do with it being done before the red-green-blue-green array gets interpolated into standard RGB values...
 
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WayneF

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

PaulPosition said:
.dng is NOT raw anymore than tiff is. As a matter of fact, .dng is tiff with a different header and some Adobe tweaks.
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? Of course DNG is Raw.. Photoshop allows RGB images to be saved to many file formats, but DNG is not one of them.

And FWIW, Nikon NEF is just a TIFF file format, with different tags. TIFF tags can be modified to hold any kind of data, but which do of course require a compatible reader.

From Adobe: http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/digital-negative.html

"The solution to this is Digital Negative (DNG), a publicly available archival format for the raw files generated by digital cameras. By addressing the lack of an open standard for the raw files created by individual camera models, DNG helps ensure that photographers will be able to access their files in the future."
 
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zutty

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

I have downloaded the Adobe files and it solved the photoshop issue but not the lightroom one....I am running the latest Max OS...10.9.2. And I hope Mac can also get on board and solve the issue as well. For now I'll look for more solutions and just shoot in tiff for now
 
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wornish

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Re: Defective D810!!! Corrupt RAW files

zutty said:
I have downloaded the Adobe files and it solved the photoshop issue but not the lightroom one....I am running the latest Max OS...10.9.2. And I hope Mac can also get on board and solve the issue as well. For now I'll look for more solutions and just shoot in tiff for now
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The latest Mac OS is 10.9.4 you are two updates behind :)
 
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zutty

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Re D810 RAW File Issues

1st I want to thank all who are helping me with this issue in the previous thread. It seems that the D810 has a NEF file issue with Adobe and Macintosh. I at 1st went out on an initial shoot yesterday and not being a total tech head, freaked out when my computer would not download the files normally. I see now it's a software issue and not a defective camera. I just wish I had been forewarned and not had to deal with this after the fact. The only thing to do right now is to shoot in both raw and jpg and store the raw files until I can use them easily with my iMac. Thanks all for your help.
 
BackdoorArts

BackdoorArts

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I know it's been covered, and I don't want to start the argument, but it may be better to use Capture NX-D to export TIFFs in the meantime, instead of using jpegs. While not RAW files, they at least have more light information and will likely be more easily manipulated. And if you work purely in Lightroom you can copy and paste the edit settings from the TIFF to the NEF file once you get that imported.
 
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