Preparation for wedding photography

Scott Murray

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Re: Preperation for wedding photography

I also found this list - is it accurate and enough?


  1. What to Shoot?
Shoot EVERYTHING. Here's a standard list:
BRIDE GETTING READY

  • Bride in mirror
  • Bride / Maid of Honor in mirror
  • Bride / Mother in mirror
Bride / Mother:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
Bride / Father:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
  • Boutonnière
Bride / Mother & Father:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
Other:

  • Bride / Maid of Honor
  • Bride / Attendants
  • Placing on garter
  • Family portrait
  • Leaving home
  • Entering limo
GROOM GETTING READY

  • Groom / Mother & Father
  • Groom / Mother
  • Groom / Father
  • Groom / Best Man
  • Groom / Attendants
CEREMONY

  • Groom alone
  • Groom / Best Man
  • Bride / Father limo
Aisle Shots:

  • Bride's Mother / Escort
  • Groom's Mother / Escort
  • Ushers / carpet roll out
  • Bridesmaids
  • Ushers
  • Ring Bearer
  • Flower Girl
  • Maid of Honor
  • Bride / Father
  • Giving away
Altar Shots:

  • Center aisle
  • Lectors
  • Ring Exchange
  • First kiss
  • Presentation of gifts
  • Sign of Peace
  • Balcony
  • Recessional
AFTER CEREMONY

  • Bride / Groom Church steps
  • Bride / Groom greeting guest
  • Receiving line
  • Toast
  • Inside limo
FORMALS
Bride:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
  • Maid of Honor
  • Female attendants
  • Male attendants
  • Bride's family
Groom:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
  • Best Man
  • Male attendants
  • Female attendants
  • Groom's family
Bride & Groom:

  • Full length
  • Close-up
  • Bride's parents
  • Groom's parents
  • Maid of Honor / Beat Man
  • Flower girl
  • Ring bearer
  • Wedding party
  • Family
RECEPTION

  • Cake
  • Guest candids
  • Receiving line
  • Misc. family
  • Introductions
  • Blessing
  • Toast
  • First dance
  • Wedding Party dance
  • Bride / Father dance
  • Groom / Mother dance
  • Garter ceremony
  • Throwing bouquet
  • Table shots
  • Dance candids
  • Misc. specialty dances
  • Going away dance
  • Circle of Love greeting
  • Leaving reception hall
Rule of thumb about arrangements, setting, etc if it cost money or time to make, take a photo of it. Also, ask the Bride and Groom of any must-have shots and photograph "important people" during the ceremony.
 

rocketman122

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Re: Preperation for wedding photography

every part of the world will have a different "to get" shot list. that looks like a US list. we dont have an exact list but there import things we must capture. ask the BG of shots you MUST get. important people you need to focus on. maybe people who come from abroad or out of state.

in terms of gear. tripod? I never used one. with film, yes. not with digital and being able to shoot to iso 6400. I never take one and havent used one in a looong time and I think with sensors like the D3s/D4, its not needed anymore. even the d600/d800 can be shot at 3200 and you can get what you need without a problem. u have good glass for that. u can shoot to 6400 if your exposure is perfect and has "meat" in it. thats what we would say when I was working as a lab tech photo printer. shooting shadows will exaggerate the grain. but shooting with flash, its not an issue. leave it at home.

softbox? what did you plan on doing with it? if you plan on shooting the BG for "the BG shots" then you dont need it. youll be outdoors with tons of lights. get 1 or two lightstands and use a flash on it and do some nice backlit silouettes if u want but more than doing the couples session portraiture, a softbox will hold you back for getting multiple shots. I will get 100-150 good shots of them in workflow of shots. the softbox will hold you back. run the flash in hss for backlit shots. many are done without flash at all. keep shooting. dont setup one pose, then shoot once and setup for another.with one pose, I will shoot them in different angles and have them hug, kiss, hold hands so the same place has different variations. different pics like focus selection. focus on her, focus on him. but not one shot, then a different pose. I maximize every pose. and always I will shoot the same shot 3-4 times so I have the same shot with small variations and a lot to offer the BG to choose from. focusing, recomposing, then changing FL, focusing, recomposing, moving, focusing, recomposing. talking to them to vary their stance, focusing, recomposing, shooting 2-3 shots, and I move and again. and change lenses and cameras. after I get a bunch of different shots then I move them to some other corner and do the same. its fast. different angles, chnaging my lenses, changing my distance from them. getting in close, from far, up, down. looking around for where I can shoot. moving her in front, her in the back. I keep thinking, I keep changing. they have tons of different images. some fun, some romantic, some basics. but its a variety of pictures.

softbox for family formals...1 is not enough. I use umbrellas when it gets dark fast in the winter. I find a lit part of the venue. nice grass/flowers thats a nice backdrop and use a simple "light stand/speedlight/umbrella/slave" setup x2. I aim them at 45º. perfect simple lighting setup. no need to go fancy. I shoot with the 105VR. face/hlaf body, full body and even for everyone together. the 105VR is fabulous. use your 85. get umbrellas. cheaper and they get the job done. easy to setup and breakdown. the light is much softer when bouncing in an umbrella than shooting through. I use 40 something inch photoflex umbrellas. yongnuo 622n slaves. I shoot at iso 2000 on FF and its grainless, and perfect. but this is when its dark already. if there's light. either regular ittl/bl or HSS at -1 FEC. but I play with it and see how it is. sftbox is too cumbersome. coonsider getting an umbrella style softbox where you can break it down and connect it quickly.

I use this on a light stand
Swivel Stand Mount Bracket Shoe Flash Light Umbrella Holder Type B | eBay
then use my slave and flash on it. slip the umbrellas through the hole. angle it how I want and raise the setup to the height I need. bam! done! perfect location lighting. difference between softbox and bounced in umbrella is nothing. they both give fantastic pleasing soft lighting.
if you insist on softbox. you need speed. get something like this
Umbrella Softbox Brolly Reflector Speedlite Studio 5070 | eBay
its quick and will give you soft quality light. IMO. nothing beats umbrella for quality, convenience and speed for connect and break down. very little photogs even use a softbox/umbrella and thats the honest truth. most just use the on camera flash and are done with it. and I shot tons of weddings Scott. in my F5 days, I was shooting 100 a year. maybe 10% use a light softening material. but an umbrella will let you close it while its on the stand so it doesnt bother anyone till you need it. invest in good 13' light stands. you will use them later on at the dance floor.

I gave my advice regarding slaves and light stands. do as you want. get advice on other forums.

Oh something else minute but worthwhile to mention. I would recommend you change all your cards at a certain time of the wedding. meaning, half way through the whole wedding, for safety's sake, remove all 4 of the old cards, and replace them with new. even that you have 2 slots in each camera. it will take all but 2 minutes at most but its better safe than sorry. and at this time, you can replace your flash batteries as well. I use NIMH energizers and they will last a long time. I usually only chnage my batteries twice in a weddings. 3 times at most. once after the BG couple and family shoot. once for the welcoming of the guests and ceremony, and once before the dancing and im done. I would not get a battery pack. especially not a nikon one. I will get one specifically for the dance floor because at times im shooting 1-3 shots in rapid succession and need the recycle speed. but I will probably get a godox or yongnuo instead. but IMO, like grips, and flashes, theres no need to invest so much for something that simply holds batteries. its just a huge waste of money. A HUGE WASTE. and I know tons of photogs who use 3rd party products without issues. I personally have used 3 grips for 3 different cameras and they work amazingly and the quality is top notch. I could not tell the difference between my previous 3rd party grip for my D300 and an original nikon grip. seriously. but if you feel you need to buy nikon. please do. with their current 24% stock price drop, im guessing theirs a reason to that. people feel they arent getting their moneys worth and many are buying 3rd party after market. like lenses, like grips, like flashes, like battery packs. lenses I dont skimp (even though I feel they are overpriced and always buy used) and cameras I dont skimp (and buy new with mack diamond warranty), but all the rest...overpriced and buy 3rd party.

I would not do a beach wedding but if you want to build a nice portfolio theyre nice to have. the damage to gear is greater than the few nice pics. getting sand in the camera when changing lenses will happen. the salt only thats in the air is so corrosive, you have no idea.
 
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Scott Murray

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Re: Preperation for wedding photography

@rocketman122 thank you for all that information it is muchly appreciated. The reason I was taking my tripod as I thought it could be used as a stand for 1 of my flash units and is easy to pack up. I will be flying to the destination and I need to be aware of how much gear I am taking. Those softboxes and umbrellas look good. And yes I was "thinking" of using it for fill in light with BG but it is good to know that I will not need this. I can understand the concerns about it being on the beach, but I am hoping it will be a calm day and I will not be changing my lenses on the beach due to the sand issue. I will have to pick the right lens on each camera (D600 + 16-35 & D800E 80-400) is what I am thinking. I am also unsure if the whole wedding will be on the beach for the entire time. I need to sit down with the Bride this coming week and discuss details, I have sent her an email asking what photos and of whom is required. PS I do not go forum hunting and try to stick to this one as I know most people and I have seen soem amazing photographs from people that know, I am just a hobbyyist and know that there are alot of professional photog's here that make a living from it and can offer me great advice which I will trust.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Re: Preperation for wedding photography

I bought a 45” Airsoft Dual Tactical Rifle Carrying Case. I put both 13' bogen light stands in there with umbrellas and thats that. get some flash holders for the tops. if you REALLY need a tripod. get a small ball head and tuck it in somehwere and use it on the light stand. you can just thread it on the 1/4" top. but you dont need it.

get slaves. CLS is crap and unreliable for consitant work. $25 for commlites G430 $50 total. instead of investing in an expensive softbox. get slaves and some umbrellas. you can shoot the umbrella/lights at manual. get a base shot and adjust it with the iso/aperture if you need to. shutter no less than 1/125 for formals. faster if ur using the 80-200. really simple.

Im new here so dont know all the pro weddings photogs yet. but adding fill flash/background flash will make your pictures stand out. I use mine at 1/16 or even 1/32 power (both lights) shoot at iso 2500-5000 and the subject in front looks great and the background is also lit.

cheers .

Oh, and watch your gear. people steal like you cant believe. I use laptop security alarm. anyone touches or moves my bag and I will hear it.

check this out

Wedding crasher steals $6000 worth of equipment - YouTube
 

Scott Murray

Senior Member
Re: Preperation for wedding photography

I bought a 45” Airsoft Dual Tactical Rifle Carrying Case. I put both 13' bogen light stands in there with umbrellas and thats that. get some flash holders for the tops. if you REALLY need a tripod. get a small ball head and tuck it in somehwere and use it on the light stand. you can just thread it on the 1/4" top. but you dont need it.

get slaves. CLS is crap and unreliable for consitant work. $25 for commlites G430 $50 total. instead of investing in an expensive softbox. get slaves and some umbrellas. you can shoot the umbrella/lights at manual. get a base shot and adjust it with the iso/aperture if you need to. shutter no less than 1/125 for formals. faster if ur using the 80-200. really simple.

Im new here so dont know all the pro weddings photogs yet. but adding fill flash/background flash will make your pictures stand out. I use mine at 1/16 or even 1/32 power (both lights) shoot at iso 2500-5000 and the subject in front looks great and the background is also lit.

cheers .

Oh, and watch your gear. people steal like you cant believe. I use laptop security alarm. anyone touches or moves my bag and I will hear it.

check this out

Wedding crasher steals $6000 worth of equipment - YouTube

Excellent, thank you once again. The more I think about it the more I think I will do a good job. I do doubt myself sometimes and when push comes to shove I can take a decent photo at times. I have been looking at my sisters wedding shots that I did 3 years ago and I can see where I went wrong with settings/flash etc so hopefully I should learn from these. I may even post a couple of the ok ones that I think are ok for feedback :)
 

Scott Murray

Senior Member
Ok here are a few that I just downloaded from Facebook. Any feedback is appreciated. I was using my D80 and SB700 I am sure I changed lenses but cannot remember which lenses I used.
PS this is my very 1st ever attempt at a wedding, and no where near to Pro standards.

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Any feedback good or bad is appreciated.

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rocketman122

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WTH!? dude, youre good to go.. get outta here. :)
move all over, shoot non stop. dont stand in one place. youre fine..just wondering about the night and the light levels.
 

Scott Murray

Senior Member
WTH!? dude, youre good to go.. get outta here. :)
move all over, shoot non stop. dont stand in one place. youre fine..just wondering about the night and the light levels.

Hahaha I am glad you like them, I guess I am pretty critical about my photography.

As for night time I have done some band photography so should be kind of similar with that, I also used my D80 but with no flash of course. And all handheld. I will just get some practice in over the following months and post them her for feedback.


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wud

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I think you got it all :) I mostly used my 35mm, some scenery images on 12mm and then my 70-200mm, the last one did really great for getting close but still making the couple look their best.

Sounds great that you'll be on the beach! I love doing pictures such a place - but, as someone once told me, if it's windy, bring something that can hold the brides dress down. If she is wearing a vail (correct word??), do get a helper to "throw" it so it will flow from her head, in the images. Looks so beautiful. You can also shoot through the vail, looks just as good.


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rocketman122

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Hahaha I am glad you like them, I guess I am pretty critical about my photography.

As for night time I have done some band photography so should be kind of similar with that, I also used my D80 but with no flash of course. And all handheld. I will just get some practice in over the following months and post them her for feedback.


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no way Scott. dont you dare use the D80. you wont acceptable picture past iso 2000. only FF. for the dance floor, use the FF with 50 and 85, 2.8-4 at 4-5000 iso if you need to and youre good. the 16-35's VR wont help for moving objects. and the 80-400 is too heavy to get nice zoomed shots for dancing. use your primes. theyre fast and sharp.

btw, what about video? whos doing that?
 

Scott Murray

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no way Scott. dont you dare use the D80. you wont acceptable picture past iso 2000. only FF. for the dance floor, use the FF with 50 and 85, 2.8-4 at 4-5000 iso if you need to and youre good. the 16-35's VR wont help for moving objects. and the 80-400 is too heavy to get nice zoomed shots for dancing. use your primes. theyre fast and sharp.

btw, what about video? whos doing that?

Haha I was saying that the above photos were with my D80 ;-). My primes will definitely be for indoors and the dance floor.

I do not think anyone is doing video.


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Scott Murray

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I think you got it all :) I mostly used my 35mm, some scenery images on 12mm and then my 70-200mm, the last one did really great for getting close but still making the couple look their best.

Sounds great that you'll be on the beach! I love doing pictures such a place - but, as someone once told me, if it's windy, bring something that can hold the brides dress down. If she is wearing a vail (correct word??), do get a helper to "throw" it so it will flow from her head, in the images. Looks so beautiful. You can also shoot through the vail, looks just as good.


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Thank you Wud I will definitely keep that in mind. And yes vail is the correct word.


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rocketman122

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you might consider doing some video clips for them. when you shoot the preparations/makeup/hair with the same composition, put it to video and record. you can make more money on that part. meaning, throughout the event, just switch the d800 to video, record 20-30 clips and then back to stills. gather all these clips. get someone to edit and make a 10 minute video clip of the highlights of the weddings. you dont have to do anything different when youre shooting. stay with the same composition, flip to video, record, flip back. bam $1000 extra. not kidding. wait, are you doing this for free? but I think its probably too much for you, but its an idea. Ok it felt like I shot the wedding already with all these posts haha. im tired.
 

Scott Murray

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you might consider doing some video clips for them. when you shoot the preparations/makeup/hair with the same composition, put it to video and record. you can make more money on that part. meaning, throughout the event, just switch the d800 to video, record 20-30 clips and then back to stills. gather all these clips. get someone to edit and make a 10 minute video clip of the highlights of the weddings. you dont have to do anything different when youre shooting. stay with the same composition, flip to video, record, flip back. bam $1000 extra. not kidding. wait, are you doing this for free? but I think its probably too much for you, but its an idea. Ok it felt like I shot the wedding already with all these posts haha. im tired.

Haha yes I am doing it for free, they are only paying for my flights which I reluctantly agreed upon. My friend still says she wants to pay me something for my time but I have so far refused, she tells me we WILL talk about it later lol.


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crycocyon

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For a first wedding shoot you did a terrific job. I think your personal style really comes through to show the happiness of the occasion. Yes there are always technical things one could improve on but that's the easy part and just comes with experience. The hard part is capturing that emotion and I think you did a great job.
 

Scott Murray

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Well I have the wedding Itinerary.

WEDDING ITINERARY

10.00am Girls Arrive at Maryse’s Place
10.30am Hairdresser Arrives
11.00am Make Up Lady Arrives
2.00pm Photographer arrives ( this may change)
3.00pm Father of the Bride Arrives
3.30pm Photographer leaves to Ceremony ( this may change)
4.00pm Bridal Cars Arrive
4.10pm Bridal Party Leaves for Ceremony
4.30pm Bridal Party Arrives Ceremony Begins
4.50pm - 5.30pm Ceremony finishes, guests congratulate Bride & Groom (few photo’s incl
Family photo’s)

5.30pm Guests move up to Little Creatures for drinks & nibbles (bar open 5.45)
5.35 – 6.40pm Photo’s (Bridal Party, bride & groom)
6.45pm Bridal Party Arrives at Little Creatures
7.15pm Guests Sit Down
7.25pm Food Service Commences
7.40pm Speeches Commence (Goes throughout dinner)
Speeches: Marianne Batenburg (Mother of the Bride)
Karin Bally (Maid Of Honour)
Jeff Smith (Father of the Groom)
Donny (Best Man)
Glenn Smith say few words after speeches

8.30pm Band Commences – First Song Bride & Groom Dance
9.15pm Cut The Cake (after band first set)
11.30 – 11.45pm Band Finishes & Last Drinks Called
 

rocketman122

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its a bit different where I live. its much more simple. we arrive where the bride is at the hair/makeup salon (winter 1, summer 2:30), she does her business and we shoot that. then the groom pics her up an hour or so after. we go to 1-3 locations for shooting to take advantage of the lighting. then we all drive to the venue, photograph the formals, guests arrive from 7-7:30, ceremony, dancing, and im dead tired at the end which is around 1am or later. sometimes its a buffet style serving so they eat after the ceremony, sometimes its a serve style wedding and after the ceremony they come in, a little dancing, and the first break for first course, then dancing, then second, and no break for dessert. whoever wants, can simply go take what he wants from the table theyre serving from. in between the breaks I do pictures with the family and BG with friends at the tables. it looks like crap but thats the situation you have to deal with.

2pm is too late for you to start, although I dont know when the sun sets for you (if you plan on doing location BG pics in the first place) if not, I see its at 5:30-6:40. basically pitch black outside. youre screwed. sorry to say it so bluntly. you just need to be aware of your situation photography/light wise. if the BG location pics arent important for them then so be it. shoot a few together boring standing together and be done with it. but for the folks here, those picture are pretty much the most important ones besides formals and ceremony. theyre all important but for the designing of the album those BG pics make all the difference. almost like a modeling shoot. we use flashes with slaves and create backlight sidelight, whatever. we do some crazy stuff. again, I dont know how important it is and how strong you are with that. every one has their strengths and weaknesses with wedding coverage.

btw, is this indoors or out? you said beach previously.
 
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