We need a new forum category

sonicbuffalo_RIP

Senior Member
If it ain't broke....it seems that the people that often get offended are members who have been on here for a while. The newbies come and go, and a lot of it depends on the questions they ask (or fail to). I think we all just need to cool our jets and treat others as we'd like to be treated. That's the bottom line. The newbies will come. Some of them just have one simple question and then ....poof....they're gone.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
The best possible organization of the new FAQ forum is that it has only one fixed message, and is locked to allow no more.

That one message says "Use the forum Search to find your question". And provide a link to the search box.

The Search should be promoted.
 

Eyelight

Senior Member
The best possible organization of the new FAQ forum is that it has only one fixed message, and is locked to allow no more.

That one message says "Use the forum Search to find your question". And provide a link to the search box.

The Search should be promoted.

I agree with this approach. But if you do a quick search for "protective filter" you get 490 results. The term "uv filter" produced 901 results. The term "lens protection" produced 615 results.

Using the advanced search for title only does a better job, but a lot of new users would need some training to use it. There is a brief FAQ on searching, but only useful if you notice it on the index page.

I think one major step in the right direction is a discussion just like this to bring attention to something so more regular users are aware of it, and just maybe we all do a little better.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
I agree with this approach. But if you do a quick search for "protective filter" you get 490 results. The term "uv filter" produced 901 results. The term "lens protection" produced 615 results.

That seems good, to find the debates, since there is no answer to "protective filter". :)
 

J-see

Senior Member
The best possible organization of the new FAQ forum is that it has only one fixed message, and is locked to allow no more.

That one message says "Use the forum Search to find your question". And provide a link to the search box.

The Search should be promoted.

I used to be a mod in the past and if there's one thing I learned it is that most people don't read FAQs, guidelines nor search for any past answers.

If it was our nature to do actual effort all the time, most questions would not need to be asked.
 

Skwaz

Senior Member
Hi sonic I think you are right , but newbies come here for advice and should be treated with respect and given a fair
answer , just because someone has a greater experience someone with lesser experience should not be treated as inferior
Ive been here a while now and found that one or two seem to think that their word us gospel
if things carry on like this I'm out off here
 

Carroll

Senior Member
Years ago, when I had running dogs, a popular lunch spot was a general store in Tightwad, Missouri. Everyone just called the place, Margarites.

It was a little dark in there, even at high noon, and had some chairs for the customers to sit a while and lie to each other with tall tales if they wished.

The Fox hunter's that were there for the bologna and cheese sandwich, or other delicacy from the antique display cooler, along with their favourite beverage, would discuss all sorts of subjects.

There was always one or two hunters that would comment on this dog or that dog as being the best at trailing, the prettiest mouth (barking sound as they ran), and other traits. Usually, it wound up being one of their dogs that was just the best ever.

The other hunters had heard this before, of course, and knew the truth about all the dogs that ran races with them. They had heard and seen what really goes on.

They seldom criticized the braggarts, or talked down to them, for the most part, just allowed them to be part of a world that few today really know about. All of them loved the hunting, their dogs, and the life they lived.

The veterans and the newbies got along that way. Respect for one another, was the rule. The enjoyment was the doing, not so much the talking about it, although it was entertaining, and the newbies learned a lot from the veterans stories and tips. Arguments were rare, and produced not much.

I liked it a lot. The FAQ and search functions were only in the daily conversations, not archived. If you wanted to know something, you just asked, even if it had been asked before. The answer was part of the conversation, and made things interesting.

Bologna just goes down better that way.

Kinda like this forum.
 
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Skwaz

Senior Member
Years ago, when I had running dogs, a popular lunch spot was a general store in Tightwad, Missouri. Everyone just called the place, Margarites.

It was a little dark in there, even at high noon, and had some chairs for the customers to sit a while and lie to each other with tall tales if they wished.

The Fox hunter's that were there for the bologna and cheese sandwich, or other delicacy from the antique display cooler, along with their favourite beverage, would discuss all sorts of subjects.

There was always one or two hunters that would comment on this dog or that dog as being the best at trailing, the prettiest mouth (barking sound as they ran), and other traits. Usually, it wound up being one of their dogs that was just the best ever.

The other hunters had heard this before, of course, and knew the truth about all the dogs that ran races with them. They had heard and seen what really goes on.

They seldom criticized the braggarts, or talked down to them, for the most part, just allowed them to be part of a world that few today really know about. All of them loved the hunting, their dogs, and the life they lived.

The veterans and the newbies got along that way. Respect for one another, was the rule. The enjoyment was the doing, not so much the talking about it, although it was entertaining, and the newbies learned a lot from the veterans stories and tips. Arguments were rare, and produced not much.

I liked it a lot. The FAQ and search functions were only in the daily conversations, not archived. If you wanted to know something, you just asked, even if it had been asked before. The answer was part of the conversation, and made things interesting.

Bologna just goes down better that way.

Kinda like this forum.
Ozarkite . I walk in your shadow , you could not put better the situation here well done
 

carguy

Senior Member
I used to be a mod in the past and if there's one thing I learned it is that most people don't read FAQs, guidelines nor search for any past answers.

If it was our nature to do actual effort all the time, most questions would not need to be asked.

Correct, but that can be handled by polite link postings.

This is VERY common on facebook groups. Seems people would rather post a question to the group rather than spend the same amount of time entering the question on Google. This example is pure laziness and while it is common on facebook, it is uncommon on VB forums (thankfully).
 

Skwaz

Senior Member
Correct, but that can be handled by polite link postings.

This is VERY common on facebook groups. Seems people would rather post a question to the group rather than spend the same amount of time entering the question on Google. This example is pure laziness and while it is common on facebook, it is uncommon on VB forums (thankfully).
then what is the point of the forum ? Is just for the know alls to post their picture and wait for praise ? No, it's for all levels to gain experience and knowledge from photographers who have gained that knowledge , shit I don't understand what's going on here
 

carguy

Senior Member
then what is the point of the forum ? Is just for the know alls to post their picture and wait for praise ? No, it's for all levels to gain experience and knowledge from photographers who have gained that knowledge , shit I don't understand what's going on here
You misunderstood.

Nothing wrong with people asking questions. It's how people respond. A reply including a link to the FAQ and or similar threads with good info is what I'd expect. The short fused responses tend to be the problem, by both those asking and those resonding.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
then what is the point of the forum ? Is just for the know alls to post their picture and wait for praise ? No, it's for all levels to gain experience and knowledge from photographers who have gained that knowledge , shit I don't understand what's going on here

I'm going to tell you what's going on here, because I only have a few pics to process today and I have time.

There was a question raised by one of the members here, that had been discussed ad nauseam , and is somewhat of a hot subject that can go off the rail very easily.
This member that posted this question is not a newbie and knows this well enough, yet still posted the question.
I don't know why, but I suspect boredom.

Another member posted a GIF of "oh no not this shit again" and the first member got pissed.

Now, we have this.:dejection:
 

hark

Administrator
Staff member
Super Mod
Having a FAQ forum is a good idea; however, there are going to be members who wish to have responses geared towards their own specific needs. It shouldn't matter whether that member is a newbie or a longtime member. This is a community, and if some people wish to rehash the same idea time and time again, those who don't wish to discuss it have the option to move on to a different topic. Granted it can get tiring reading the same topics over and over, but the conversations help to foster a sense of community. Sometimes it is just one post that will yield an 'a-ha' moment for those who are looking for help.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
Having a FAQ forum is a good idea; however, there are going to be members who wish to have responses geared towards their own specific needs. It shouldn't matter whether that member is a newbie or a longtime member. This is a community, and if some people wish to rehash the same idea time and time again, those who don't wish to discuss it have the option to move on to a different topic. Granted it can get tiring reading the same topics over and over, but the conversations help to foster a sense of community. Sometimes it is just one post that will yield an 'a-ha' moment for those who are looking for help.

What if the purpose of rehashing an old idea is to stir the pot? Is that right?

Let me jump over to the D600 forum and start asking questions about the "oil spot" issue, even though I know about it inside and out.
 

carguy

Senior Member
Having a FAQ forum is a good idea; however, there are going to be members who wish to have responses geared towards their own specific needs. It shouldn't matter whether that member is a newbie or a longtime member. This is a community, and if some people wish to rehash the same idea time and time again, those who don't wish to discuss it have the option to move on to a different topic. Granted it can get tiring reading the same topics over and over, but the conversations help to foster a sense of community. Sometimes it is just one post that will yield an 'a-ha' moment for those who are looking for help.
Nobody is saying the FAQ or posting a link to a FAQ page should end the discussion. :)
 

Moab Man

Senior Member
I find this all laughable in that it only seems to, in my opinion, prove my point of having a sanctuary forum.

As to being a moderating nightmare, we never experienced that and found our moderating lessoned due to these types of questions not being attacked by seasoned members in the open waters of the main forum.

If needed, not looking for it but I did open my mouth, I would even volunteer to moderate this forum area.

What's the worst that could happen? Try it for three months and dump it if it's a problem area. If it works then it saves those that hate repeat questions from having to go off - just stay out of that area.

My final thought, the staff needs to just make a decision because we seem in this thread to still have the hamster wheel going around but no one seems to have noticed the hamster is dead.

I'm off to get some lunch.
 

Blacktop

Senior Member
I find this all laughable in that it only seems to, in my opinion, prove my point of having a sanctuary forum.

As to being a moderating nightmare, we never experienced that and found our moderating lessoned due to these types of questions not being attacked by seasoned members in the open waters of the main forum.

If needed, not looking for it but I did open my mouth, I would even volunteer to moderate this forum area.

What's the worst that could happen? Try it for three months and dump it if it's a problem area. If it works then it saves those that hate repeat questions from having to go off - just stay out of that area.

My final thought, the staff needs to just make a decision because we seem in this thread to still have the hamster wheel going around but no one seems to have noticed the hamster is dead.

I'm off to get some lunch.

I'm not sure about the hamster, but the horse has been dead for a while now.:monkey:
 

carguy

Senior Member
The reason it's a nightmare is it defeats the purpose of having sub-forums. You end up with many conversations not under the appropriate sub-forums.

This results in the majority of the people, who use a forum correctly, missing out on conversations that aren't where they should be, often causing yet another thread...thus creating a circle...
 
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Moab Man

Senior Member
We found that once newbies cut there teeth and had a bit of off-road knowledge they didn't venture back to the kiddie end of the pool in our newbie forum.
 
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