Thank you to all the die-hards here!

hark

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One of the most common complaints on forums is when a newbie asks a question that has been asked 1000 times before. These types of questions tend to generate less than helpful criticisms from those who are tired of seeing the same thing asked again and again. There is a search feature--learn to make use of it is often a common response.

To all those who have offered helpful comments and direction, I'd like to say Thank You!!! :D I've read many of the newer questions asked about using Lightroom and have even asked a couple myself.

Yesterday I decided to pull out my D90 because my D600 has some type of focusing issue (will be contacting Nikon to see about getting it serviced--it also has the oil spotting problem). The D90 focuses exactly as I'd expect; however, the D600 tends to either front or back focus. So when I took photos of my recumbent trike, my D90 was set to take both jpeg fine and RAW--all on one memory card. The D600 has 2 separate cards so I tend to load all the jpegs on my computer and don't bother with the RAW. Since both of the jpegs and RAW loaded onto my computer from the D90, I decided to test drive Lightroom 4.

I have a few books (Kelby, Evening, and Bampton) plus in the past I watched a few videos--and will continue to do so. My decision to finally try editing RAW came from reading the numerous responses given by the die-hards--especially the info about how RAW offers more resolution! I have a lot to learn but am finally looking forward to tackling this software! I doubt I would have even ventured into trying if it weren't for those members who continually answer the questions. So THANK YOU for generously offering your wisdom. I probably wouldn't have used the search feature, but after reading some of the responses, I started following more and more of the threads discussing Lightroom. Thanks again! ;)
 

Horoscope Fish

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One of the most common complaints on forums is when a newbie asks a question that has been asked 1000 times before. These types of questions tend to generate less than helpful criticisms from those who are tired of seeing the same thing asked again and again. There is a search feature--learn to make use of it is often a common response.

To all those who have offered helpful comments and direction, I'd like to say Thank You!!! :D I've read many of the newer questions asked about using Lightroom and have even asked a couple myself.

Yesterday I decided to pull out my D90 because my D600 has some type of focusing issue (will be contacting Nikon to see about getting it serviced--it also has the oil spotting problem). The D90 focuses exactly as I'd expect; however, the D600 tends to either front or back focus. So when I took photos of my recumbent trike, my D90 was set to take both jpeg fine and RAW--all on one memory card. The D600 has 2 separate cards so I tend to load all the jpegs on my computer and don't bother with the RAW. Since both of the jpegs and RAW loaded onto my computer from the D90, I decided to test drive Lightroom 4.

I have a few books (Kelby, Evening, and Bampton) plus in the past I watched a few videos--and will continue to do so. My decision to finally try editing RAW came from reading the numerous responses given by the die-hards--especially the info about how RAW offers more resolution! I have a lot to learn but am finally looking forward to tackling this software! I doubt I would have even ventured into trying if it weren't for those members who continually answer the questions. So THANK YOU for generously offering your wisdom. I probably wouldn't have used the search feature, but after reading some of the responses, I started following more and more of the threads discussing Lightroom. Thanks again! ;)
I don't want to re-hash the whole RAW v JPG debate, but... I guess I'm about to.

I'm just going to say that that I've never understood buying a DSLR and then effectively cutting off it's... er... castrating... it by shooting JPG and leave it at that. Editing a RAW file is not difficult, and once you get a few basics down, I'll bet you dollars to donuts you'll be wondering why you put off shooting in RAW for as long as you did.


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mikew_RIP

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You would have to go a long way to find anyone more anti raw than i was,but this horrible lot on here :D kept on about it so i thought why not,i bought elements 11 and a book :D then jumped in,i no longer shoot any jpeg and have received several likes for pictures i could not have saved if taken in jpeg.
A good image from the camera taken in raw can be a jpeg in no time,then the first underexposed raw image you save from the bin gives you a great feeling

mike
 

ohkphoto

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Since digital sensors already "approximate", for me, it's just a matter of being "pixel selfish" . . . I refuse to have any more pixels destroyed.

I actually tried to shoot an event in jpeg because I thought it would save me time. I couldn't bring myself to change the setting.

Lightroom can be your best friend whether you shoot raw or jpeg . . . and I'll always recommend RAW.

Feel free to ask any questions, Hark . . . we really try to help those who help themselves, which you clearly do, and are a contributing member to the forum.

Sorry to hear about your D600 . . . hopefully that gets resolved quickly (and painlessly!)
 

donaldjledet

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So Helene Raw isn't to hard to Learn for someone like me who is fairly new?
Also have Kelby books and some books on the D7100. Also went ahead and purchased elements 11 cause it was for 50.00 dollars. So now have that and L.R.4
Since digital sensors already "approximate", for me, it's just a matter of being "pixel selfish" . . . I refuse to have any more pixels destroyed.

I actually tried to shoot an event in jpeg because I thought it would save me time. I couldn't bring myself to change the setting.

Lightroom can be your best friend whether you shoot raw or jpeg . . . and I'll always recommend RAW.

Feel free to ask any questions, Hark . . . we really try to help those who help themselves, which you clearly do, and are a contributing member to the forum.

Sorry to hear about your D600 . . . hopefully that gets resolved quickly (and painlessly!)
 

Fred Kingston_RIP

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If you're really serious about LR and RAW photography, I can't recommend Jeff's book enough... The first half of the book traces the development of RAW and sensor history... and why JPEG images are all different by comparison between manufacturers... It also covers the development of the controls in LR, and why they are what they are... and why they work the way they do... from there, he takes you through exercises that work you through the extremes to demonstrate the range of what RAW can do... Be forewarned... it is pretty technical in areas... The Digital Negative: Raw Image Processing in Lightroom, Camera Raw, and Photoshop: Jeff Schewe: 9780321839572: Amazon.com: Books
 

ohkphoto

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So Helene Raw isn't to hard to Learn for someone like me who is fairly new?
Also have Kelby books and some books on the D7100. Also went ahead and purchased elements 11 cause it was for 50.00 dollars. So now have that and L.R.4

Not hard at all. The good thing is that once you import your photos into Lightroom, your originals are safe no matter what you do to them in LR. Kelby Training has some excellent tutorials on getting started in LR, if you need them. I would just say, jump in and start experimenting with the Develop module and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 

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Lightroom is pretty easy to use. There are a TON of features (not just photo adjustments), so just take your time and play with it. Nothing is a permanent change, so long as you don't delete your original.

I've been using Photoshop since 1.0, and it was very hard for me to justify Lightroom. I was taking a photography course and HAD to use it for a class, and have been using it ever since. In fact, it's a major portion of my workflow and I rarely use Photoshop anymore except for very heavy edits.

But, you'd know that if you weren't such an FNG and used the search feature. This has already been gone over 1,000 times before.

​Sorry. Sometimes I just can't help myself.
 

vindex1963

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I don't want to re-hash the whole RAW v JPG debate, but... I guess I'm about to.

I'm just going to say that that I've never understood buying a DSLR and then effectively cutting off it's... er... castrating... it by shooting JPG and leave it at that. Editing a RAW file is not difficult, and once you get a few basics down, I'll bet you dollars to donuts you'll be wondering why you put off shooting in RAW for as long as you did.


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I don't want to re-hash the whole RAW v JPG debate, but... I guess I'm about to.

I'm just going to say that that I've never understood buying a DSLR and then effectively cutting off it's... er... castrating... it by shooting JPG and leave it at that. Editing a RAW file is not difficult, and once you get a few basics down, I'll bet you dollars to donuts you'll be wondering why you put off shooting in RAW for as long as you did.

Yes Horoscope Fish, once I really dig into Lightroom and firmly grasp its benefits, I'm sure I will kick myself in the arse for not trying it out sooner! ;) Already I can see some of its benefits, but there's a lot more treasure to unearth! The thing is, now that I've gotten a taste of it, I can't wait to sink my teeth into it! Now I need to get out and shoot RAW files so I can experiment and play! And that's exactly how I'm viewing the switch...as a positive and beneficial change. While I was once hesitant and reluctant to switch, now I'm am eager beaver! Quite frequently I have to wipe the drool off my keyboard as I lust over RAW photos taken by other forum members so now I'm ready and willing to make the change. This is how I've felt: if you haven't tasted the really good stuff, how can you truly know what you are missing?!! I tasted, and now I'm hooked!

I am a latecomer to the realm of DSLRs. I was an avid 35mm user until an arm injury and subsequent surgery made me stop completely. I've only been at it now for 18 months, but I don't have nearly as much time to devote to photography as I'd like. When I finally bought a DSLR body, a friend who shoots weddings told me not to bother shooting RAW. With all I've learned, I can understand why a lot of wedding photographers prefer jpegs--with the volume of photos to edit, jpegs sometimes have an advantage.

As I stated in my original post, someone HERE mentioned how RAW offers higher resolution so for pixel peepers and for those who want enlargements, those are personal key benefits for shooting RAW. :cool: Thanks again to all those who rehash the jpeg vs. RAW debate--and that includes you, Horoscope Fish! :)
 

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Lightroom is pretty easy to use. There are a TON of features (not just photo adjustments), so just take your time and play with it. Nothing is a permanent change, so long as you don't delete your original.

I've been using Photoshop since 1.0, and it was very hard for me to justify Lightroom. I was taking a photography course and HAD to use it for a class, and have been using it ever since. In fact, it's a major portion of my workflow and I rarely use Photoshop anymore except for very heavy edits.

But, you'd know that if you weren't such an FNG and used the search feature. This has already been gone over 1,000 times before.

​Sorry. Sometimes I just can't help myself.

Thanks for the info about it not being a permanent change. And no apology necessary. Guess I made it 1001 times now. :biggrin-new:

Seriously...thank you.

-FNGal- ;)
 

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We require all women-folk to post a selfie.

It was posted in another thread. Here is it just for you! *grin* (hee-hee, I know it's not quite what you expected!)
 

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Horoscope Fish

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As I stated in my original post, someone HERE mentioned how RAW offers higher resolution so for pixel peepers and for those who want enlargements, those are personal key benefits for shooting RAW. Thanks again to all those who rehash the jpeg vs. RAW debate--and that includes you, Horoscope Fish!
I know at this point you're on board and totes excited about shooting in RAW, but allow me to continue the drumbeat for just a moment longer.

JPG's are limited not only in resolution, but also in their ability to render color. How limited, I hear you asking...

Well, an 8-bit JPG file can render 16.7 million colors. That sounds like a lot until you realize a 12-bit RAW file can render 68.7 billion colors or, to put it another way... Well over four-thousand times as many colors as a JPG image.

Now, some people will scream bloody hell about how the human eye can only distinguish between a few million shades of color so why all this noise about being able to work with 68 billion? And the short answer is, gradients. And you bet your sweet patoot that's important stuff when you open Photoshop or Lightroom or what have you to edit your photos. I'm going to suggest you read this article from one of my favorite places on the web to learn about post processing: Photoshop Essentials (dot) com. It's a slightly dry read and don't worry if you don't actually have Photoshop, the article discusses color, and color depth as it relates to digital photography. Iimportant stuff you owe it to yourself to have an understanding of.

Read Me: The Benefits of Working With 16-Bit Images in Photoshop


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Horoscope Fish, thanks for the info and the link! I bookmarked the link and will read it later tonight. Although I don't know enough about the differences in color between RAW and jpeg, I noticed right away that with just a little bit of tweaking, the color changed magnificently in Lightroom! It was a far superior change than PSE10 offers with jpegs, and that is one of the reasons why I am so excited. Thanks for the link--it will be interesting to read more about this! :)
 
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