Shooting RAW is a waste of time

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BackdoorArts

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Did I say something wrong? When someone speaks in absolutes, contradicting the advice and practice of countless working professionals, and yet offers nothing but opinion and no evidence of their work, ever, then I would say that the time spent trying and digest, and god forbid apply the words is far better used on more profitable activities ... perhaps like watching the grass grow.
 

jdeg

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the wife can do about 1000 from a wedding in about 12 hours inc back ups etc but how can she go slower and spread it to 3 weeks ??? Not possible must have another job at the supermarket ??? Not a pro,just slow.

Obviously someone doesn't spend 3 weeks on one wedding. That's the turn around time assuming work from other shoots is also backlogged.

As it was stated before - everyone has their own process that works for them. What works for you is fine, just don't expect the same process to work for others. You're going to get some comments when you tell a newbie that shooting a certain way is a waste of time before they even know how to use the camera.
 
So true admin guy ..it does not take 3 weeks ,but we specialise in weddings only,dont go out shooting commercial in the week which holds up wedding processing ...we get up 8am sunday and work till the jobs done ..then rest in the week ..go out on the boat etc. only get a short delay if we have weddings fri sat sun .....
As for not posting work ie giving my website address its counter productive as google searches bring customers to the arguments you get on here which is not good for business.
As for RAW being a waste well it is in my context but I have friends who do exotic portraits,flipped faces and similar and RAW is the way to go ..but thats for a small number of images not hundreds
 
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Marcel

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Marcell I dont know everything just what is good for my business .I am qualified with MPA BIPP and RPS ...they say I know what I am doing.....there are some who shoot weddings at $5000 a time and do 5 a year and are quite happy...and sorry to repeat information but there is always a clique who comment on everything but many who only dip in now and again and have not read the information before ....
and no we always shoot 1stop under so all shots adjusted and cropped in lightroom...the wife can do about 1000 from a wedding in about 12 hours inc back ups etc but how can she go slower and spread it to 3 weeks ??? Not possible must have another job at the supermarket ??? Not a pro,just slow.


Steve, I'm sorry you took my post that way. I'll repeat my question since I think you felt attacked and this was not my point at all. I just asked you one question:

What are you trying to prove us?

If you want to be positive, why don't you write up a blog about your way of doing things.

As far as your qualifications, I don't know about these associations since I'm on the other side of the ocean. Do they have exams that you have to pass before you join or is it simply a fee that you have to pay to be a member?
 

ohkphoto

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Regarding the "shooting RAW is a waste of time", I'm only going to address this because we do have a lot of new and inexperienced photographers who don't need to be misguided.

1. The argument between shooting raw and jpeg is simply in who does the processing --jpeg, it's the camera, which results in "lost/compromised" pixels. Raw has to be processed, but you have ALL the pixels intact as captured.

2. As Eduard said earlier, it's a matter of setting up a good workflow in post processing. Most people who are so against RAW are usually those who have poor computer/software/post processing skills, and sadly, it's often (not always) photographers who started with film and now have a hard time transitioning into digital processing.

Unfortunately, the success of a wedding photographer depends more on how good a salesperson the photographer is and not on the quality of work.
 

STM

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RAW is a waste of time? So, basically what you are saying is that to save time you would forego the ability to get the best out of your images?

Maybe you should try another method besides the "spray and pray" method of shooting if the number of your shots is unmanageable. I don't do that many weddings but if I come away with more than maybe 400 shots for engagement, pre-wedding, wedding and reception I am doing something very wrong. And I have yet to have, in all the years I have been doing things, had a custome who was not very pleased with the final results.

Maybe my philosophy stems from the days when all we had available was film and you actually had to make every frame count. Since digital is "free" you can just keep shooting anything that moves for essentially no extra up front cost or you lose money. From someone who shoots A LOT of modeling portfolios, in my mind it is unprofessional and discourteous to force a client to wade through 1800 images to find the best ones. You did not say in your post that that is what you do, but just sayin'. On a typical 2-3 hour modeling shoot, if I come away with more than 40-50 images again I must be doing something very wrong. I would rather the model agonize over 40-50 images because she likes them all than have her agonize over 400+ (which a lot of GWC's - Guys With Cameras) do because there are so many of them which are pure trash. Models are stunned when I tell them that they will get their proofs the same day for a morning shoot and the next day for an afternoon or evening shoot. And they get their images usally the next day or even earlier after that,

But that's just me, I'm a pragmatist.
 
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Rexer John

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As for not posting work ie giving my website address its counter productive as google searches bring customers to the arguments you get on here which is not good for business.

That would surely depend on how one comes across to the reader.
Actually this is one thing where I do agree with you, best not let them see it.
 

jdeg

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So true admin guy ..it does not take 3 weeks ,but we specialise in weddings only,dont go out shooting commercial in the week which holds up wedding processing ...we get up 8am sunday and work till the jobs done ..then rest in the week ..go out on the boat etc. only get a short delay if we have weddings fri sat sun .....

That's great! I'm glad you can save time & make money while pleasing customers.
 

§am

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On a purely personal level, if a professional at my wedding (photographer, serving staff, cook, limo driver etc etc) ever spoke to my guests like you do, I'd slap them upside the head no questions asked.

A lot of friends of mine who have had professional photographers at their weddings have NEVER paid the full amount before, and certainly never paid the full amount until they had received a satisfactory portfolio - that's just pure common sense to be honest :)
 

Johnathan Aulabaugh

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WOW what a thread!!! Plain and simple for me, shoot raw, back up in raw and edit raw in LR.
for 9.95 a month I can be a member of the RPS (royal photographic society) to so that is not exceptional IMO. I am simply amazed at the number of weddings one can do a year, 50 weddings in 52 weeks... that's awesome!!! and easily surpasses any wedding photographer I have ever met.
 

piperbarb

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Re: I need examples from d3200 users

Strangely enough only re started the business in Nov 2011 after a 10 year break and did 50 weddings in 2012...If I am not confident that what I am doing is right I should not be at a wedding....never see the customers before the day its all done on line ( is she 20 or 50 ?? Size 8 or 24 ?? Got any teeth? I dont know till I get there ) Brides and grooms dont know what they want which is why they look at out 20,000 photos and if they like they buy..
Its all down to price...over $750 the market drops off very fast and your 50 weddings becomes 15...biggest problem is smokers ..takes twice as long to do the photos ....
Here is a photo for the OP to ponder ( best enlarged a little)
BTW, aren't YOU the original poster? At least that is what I thought when I saw that message post #1 was posted by you. Just curious...
 

Eye-level

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I know you all think Steve is crazy and at one time I did as well but more and more I am beginning to think there IS something to what he is saying. As you know I am fixing to buy the famous "wedding camera". Nearly every pro wedding photographer that uses it uses guess what - jpeg!

Sometimes it is a good thing to put aside your thoughts and try to understand another's...you just might learn something...we all know it takes some effort to learn right?

And I think Jake's post #17 is indeed rude and uncalled for.
 

ohkphoto

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I know you all think Steve is crazy and at one time I did as well

Read more: http://nikonites.com/learning-photography/12138-shooting-raw-waste-time-4.html#ixzz2OOAG4FXs

I don't think that's the issue, Jeff. I just find him contradicting himself a lot, and passing off info (in a "learning" thread) as "gospel," and really, all we have is his word that he's this top-knotch, highly-booked wedding photographer. The proof is always in the pudding, as they say.

He still has not responded to my request for clarification as to why he does not post photos or a link to his website. It's a sincere request, because I really don't understand why it's "bad for business" as he claims.

Shooting RAW or jpeg is always a personal choice, but to make a concrete statement in a learning thread that "shooting RAW is a waste of time" is irresponsible, imo.
 

Eye-level

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Well all I see in this thread is about 65 posters gang banging a dude because he doesn't shoot RAW like they do...as if they are the all and be all and the end to all things photography.

Learning Photography - the category

If you don't shoot in RAW you are crazy doesn't sound like learning photography to me...

I don't see the title as irresponsible at all...if that is his style and it works for him than so be it. If that is his workflow and it works for him than RAW probably is a waste of time.

Post #23 he clearly defines why he doesn't put out the links...and I agree with him on that too...

And I do not see him calling anyone names or using profanity either...only people attacking him...
 
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ohkphoto

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Post #23 he clearly defines why he doesn't put out the links...and I agree with him on that too...

Read more: http://nikonites.com/learning-photography/12138-shooting-raw-waste-time-4.html#ixzz2OOGuGugA

Well, perhaps you can explain to me more clearly because I don't follow it.

my website address its counter productive as google searches bring customers to the arguments you get on here which is not good for business.

Read more: http://nikonites.com/learning-photography/12138-shooting-raw-waste-time-3.html#ixzz2OOHMM59G
 
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