I'd say he's serious. The Nokia phone has an amazing camera. Obviously not as lent toward the creativity of a DSLR, but the tech is really kind of scary. For instance, there is a camera app that you can change the focus after you take the shot. Which goes right along with this thread, because there is a lot of processing going on behind the scenes for the Nokia to do that. You can do the same with a DSLR and focus stacking, but like other things the human brain has to be more involved.
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I'd say he's serious. The Nokia phone has an amazing camera. Obviously not as lent toward the creativity of a DSLR, but the tech is really kind of scary. For instance, there is a camera app that you can change the focus after you take the shot. Which goes right along with this thread, because there is a lot of processing going on behind the scenes for the Nokia to do that. You can do the same with a DSLR and focus stacking, but like other things the human brain has to be more involved.
Patrick M
Senior Member
I've taken 47,118,263 and some are even in focus!
Seriously, if you're that good with a phone camera I don't see why you'd even bother with a DSLR of any kind.
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You can not be as creative with DOF on a camera phone.. There is no reason to even say a camera phone could ever compete with a DSLR..Especially FX...As phones get better, so do DSLR's..The IQ and or dynamic range on a fx camera is superior..If you are taking better pics with a phone,then you need to seriously work on your camera basics and lighting with your DSLR..
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
As we continue to derail and rerail this thread, I do believe that there are photographers (and by that I mean "someone with a camera taking pictures") who are better off using their camera phones because they eliminate many of the variables utilized by photographers (and by that I mean "someone who understands the principles of composition, exposure and processing") when creating photographs. You can put a great camera in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they're doing and it's going to be ugly. But that same person can take a properly exposed snapshot of themselves with an iPhone, run it through an Instagram filter and have the world post a thousand Likes in an afternoon.
Anyone can take a decent picture with a camera phone. But a photographer can take a decent picture with anything.
Ok..I will attempt to answer all your questions..1st I was shooting in RAW, I was using a tripod and remote trigger, The camera was on manual and set to ISO 100/f7.1, the reason it was angled slightly upwards to avoid a reflection in the mirror..thus the placement of the white lamp. The lens I was using was the Nikkor 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G ED. The photos I have taken are not at a clients house..these are just me practicing at the homes of families and friends. In reply to the member who mentioned my previous post about my flash..I have sorted that out so it has nothing to do with this post. I used Photoshop/Lightroom to do the editing and I have a very high quality sd card.
It just seems to me that there has to be alot of corrections made in photoshop to make them look ok.
I had a pentax MZ-10 a long time ago and was always happy with the photos it took and I just thought that since technology has come such a long way that the images on this new camera would be a lot sharper than they seem to be... no need for people to put me down etc..i was just saying what I thought.
It just seems to me that there has to be alot of corrections made in photoshop to make them look ok.
I had a pentax MZ-10 a long time ago and was always happy with the photos it took and I just thought that since technology has come such a long way that the images on this new camera would be a lot sharper than they seem to be... no need for people to put me down etc..i was just saying what I thought.
Don't think too much about responses. It takes a bit to get to know each other. In any forum, there is a bit of an unofficial question mark until the forum figures out a new poster is legit. Sometimes it's more obvious one way or the other, and sometimes a little in the gray zone. I think you may have been lingering in the gray zone.
The older camera was just doing the processing for you. I think all you need is get up to speed on using PS and LR. Then you will see what you can and cannot do in post.
Suggest you upload an NEF file somewhere we can access it. Several could offer tips on the adjustments and probably cut down on time involved.
The older camera was just doing the processing for you. I think all you need is get up to speed on using PS and LR. Then you will see what you can and cannot do in post.
Suggest you upload an NEF file somewhere we can access it. Several could offer tips on the adjustments and probably cut down on time involved.
Most of the shots were taken during work
- Road conditions in remote areas
- Progress of civil construction both exteriors and interiors
- Holidays in remote areas
I always had an SLR, initially film Zenit, then the Zenit Photosniper with 300mm F4.5, and then my son bought D70 which we both used and then D300. Now D3300. What is convenient with a cell phone is that it is always with you, you can take discrete shots and in general the camera does all your thinking. Secondly for images in daily reports even 5MP is overkill as you have to resize it so that at least 2 fit in an A4 page. Here are few examples from Tajikistan with 1.2MP camera
rocketman122
Senior Member
OP, I understand where youre coming from. pay no attention to those posting negative comments. many here are just protecting the nikon name. what? god forbid you said something bad about nikon.
you are new coming into this site and people feel thy need to protect the nikon name. most think its a troll post by canon users. pay no attention though.
I believe you have a clear case here. and I agree with you 100%. people accept that this IQ is ok for the camera and that basically u must edit after the fact. never had to spend so much time with an image in the film days. but the problem is no matter what picture control setting you will use, you will not be able to get the image you need in the end straight out of the camera. it wont happen. the camera is limited. its a big negative I have about cameras. so be aware that you will need to adjust and edit every single image for the final look. when I looked at your first image, I was curious why you didnt leave exif data in, but I did say to myself. yea, thats the crap pictures the nikon can produce. not that any MFR is better. thats what cameras can do today. they have a long way to go. metering as well is very lacking. and the sharpening algorithm is crap as well. canon has a great sharpening algorithm but you loose a lot of fine detail with smearing. canons are excellent for the beauty/fashion/glamour industry because theyre very sharp but waxy/plasticky where a lot of fine detail is lost and thats great for the face.
basically know that this is what the camera can do. thats the limit. you will have to edit the pics to get the final look to the picture. just dont crazy like most do and filter the crap out of the image. dont be a "me too" instagram protog.
you are new coming into this site and people feel thy need to protect the nikon name. most think its a troll post by canon users. pay no attention though.
I believe you have a clear case here. and I agree with you 100%. people accept that this IQ is ok for the camera and that basically u must edit after the fact. never had to spend so much time with an image in the film days. but the problem is no matter what picture control setting you will use, you will not be able to get the image you need in the end straight out of the camera. it wont happen. the camera is limited. its a big negative I have about cameras. so be aware that you will need to adjust and edit every single image for the final look. when I looked at your first image, I was curious why you didnt leave exif data in, but I did say to myself. yea, thats the crap pictures the nikon can produce. not that any MFR is better. thats what cameras can do today. they have a long way to go. metering as well is very lacking. and the sharpening algorithm is crap as well. canon has a great sharpening algorithm but you loose a lot of fine detail with smearing. canons are excellent for the beauty/fashion/glamour industry because theyre very sharp but waxy/plasticky where a lot of fine detail is lost and thats great for the face.
basically know that this is what the camera can do. thats the limit. you will have to edit the pics to get the final look to the picture. just dont crazy like most do and filter the crap out of the image. dont be a "me too" instagram protog.
Totally agree with this.
OP please give this site a chance and it will help you develop your skills, the more info you share the better the answers will be.
Pleased you know where is is coming from because with a first post like the one quoted above from a self stated semi pro i didnt ,although i like you explanation
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
To make it official, and restate what I stated above, I apologize if I took your initial post the wrong way. Before posting anything I checked your other posts, saw two other threads that could be seen largely as complaints, and were complete fly-bys, particularly since you never looped back in on a 10 day old thread about the flash. My rule is "If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...", which will occasionally get me off on the wrong foot. I'm not here to "protect the Nikon name", as might have been suggested. But I do know what it's like to have to manage purposeful disharmony on a forum like this, so if I can call it out before it gets out of hand I will try to do that. People with real and good intentions, such as yourself, will call me on it, I will give my, "Mea culpa", and we can move on, while rascals will tend to show themselves as who they are and the moderators can do their work. So again, my apologies for being abrupt up front. I hope you understand that it was based on more than the fact that I can be a bit of an ass when it comes to trolls on forums. So while I wouldn't simply pay it no head, as Rocketman suggests, I would use it as knowledge in future posts that providing information along with complaints and questions will always get you better, more prompt and more complete answers.
Now, as for your complaints, I'd still love to see a version of this photo with all the EXIF data intact. If this is actually an ISO 100 image taken in manual mode at f/7.1. We don't have a shutter speed, and if the camera is set to ISO 100, but Auto ISO is turned on, the camera will adjust the ISO in Manual exposure mode so that the shutter speed and aperture combination produce a proper exposure. I use this method for birds in flight all the time, with a shutter speed of 1/1000 and aperture of f/8 and will get ISO settings between 100 and 6400 depending on light. From what I can see in your photo I have a hard time believing the ISO for that exposure is actually 100, but if so there are other factors that can contribute to what you're seeing. Resize the original to 1000px on the large size and upload again and that should preserve the EXIF data for us.
As for shooting RAW and post processing, it's an absolute must to learn how to do this properly, particularly if you're going to be shooting consistent interiors. Learn how to set white balance properly - both in camera and in post. When shooting interiors you want a consistent look, so avoid Auto WB settings. Set it in each room/lighting condition, or at least just set it to Shade if you're using natural light indoors, or for the proper type of lighting in the room. This way at least you'll have a consistent look in all the photos you take of each room and can apply a consistent adjustment if necessary. And yes, fixing perspective in post is an important way to distinguish a real estate photographer who knows what they're doing from those who don't - and there are plenty of those.
Now, as for your complaints, I'd still love to see a version of this photo with all the EXIF data intact. If this is actually an ISO 100 image taken in manual mode at f/7.1. We don't have a shutter speed, and if the camera is set to ISO 100, but Auto ISO is turned on, the camera will adjust the ISO in Manual exposure mode so that the shutter speed and aperture combination produce a proper exposure. I use this method for birds in flight all the time, with a shutter speed of 1/1000 and aperture of f/8 and will get ISO settings between 100 and 6400 depending on light. From what I can see in your photo I have a hard time believing the ISO for that exposure is actually 100, but if so there are other factors that can contribute to what you're seeing. Resize the original to 1000px on the large size and upload again and that should preserve the EXIF data for us.
As for shooting RAW and post processing, it's an absolute must to learn how to do this properly, particularly if you're going to be shooting consistent interiors. Learn how to set white balance properly - both in camera and in post. When shooting interiors you want a consistent look, so avoid Auto WB settings. Set it in each room/lighting condition, or at least just set it to Shade if you're using natural light indoors, or for the proper type of lighting in the room. This way at least you'll have a consistent look in all the photos you take of each room and can apply a consistent adjustment if necessary. And yes, fixing perspective in post is an important way to distinguish a real estate photographer who knows what they're doing from those who don't - and there are plenty of those.
Patrick M
Senior Member
@ Backdoorhippie: don't apologise for doing what you do so well. If posters get upset about the response they get, they should think about what they wrote first and think if there was a better way to phrase the posting.
OP: never take responses personally. If a response isn't helpful, then ignore it. If it's rude, report it. If, from the responses, you feel that they're on the wrong tack, then think on the question and how it might be re-phrased perhaps.
Nobody is here to dis you. I've learnt so much and everyone genuinely tries to help. Just be patient and persevere.
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OP: never take responses personally. If a response isn't helpful, then ignore it. If it's rude, report it. If, from the responses, you feel that they're on the wrong tack, then think on the question and how it might be re-phrased perhaps.
Nobody is here to dis you. I've learnt so much and everyone genuinely tries to help. Just be patient and persevere.
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having read this thread without any stake in the 7100, i am reminded of how much there is to learn when accepting the challenges photography offers. I have a 7000 that now sits on a bookcase, replaced by a 610 that i purchased right before a trip to Paris mid-June. Each camera poses new challenges and the learning curve can be steep. But if you are new to photography, principles of composition and exposure need to be learned, regardless of which DSLR you use. The challenges posed by each camera necessitates study, practice, experimentation if you wish to fulfill your own potential in the art and practice of photography. I have found the responses on this thread to be informative, having information i can use with my 610. Indeed, when the issues posed are real, and the responses are practical, this forum can give its members so much useful information and, indeed, inspiration. I have found so much useful information, even while remaining largely silent while i learn and learn, and learn some more.
I will keep reading and hopefully, will contribute something along the way. thanks to all for the informative read and invaluable information.
I will keep reading and hopefully, will contribute something along the way. thanks to all for the informative read and invaluable information.
Photowyzard
Senior Member
Glad I stayed quiet!