Move to D610 or stay with D7100?

[john*thomas]

I understand the point that it might seem to make sense to have a bigger separation between the lines. It was kind of confusing when I bought my first one last year. Obviously Nikon wants to cover every base and the paths between.

 

[DraganDL]

I also think that there should be "a bigger separation between the lines". Since I recently purchased yet another camera (D7000), I realized that I am missing that rotating mirror found on my D5100. So, why not equip the "upper" class of DX with the rotating mirror, keep the motorized drive for the sake of the use of older ("AF-D") lenses, keep the support for non-CPU lenses (full matrix metering), and discontinue the "middle entry level"? It would be logical...

 

[Marcel]

That proves my point..tnx

Why are you so keen to prove your point. If ,as you said, it's only your opinion, then maybe you don't have to publicly try to prove it right. Unless you're unhappy about the D3300 sensor having close performance to the 7100.

 

[fotojack]

Why does GM make so many different models of cars? And Ford? And every other car company? For one reason....to sell! There are different levels of "beginner" and "semi pro" and "pro" level photographers, so having a wide choice of cameras to progress with just makes good marketing sense. We humans are a fickle species, and we like to have an overwhelming abundance of choice. Nikon knows this and takes advantage of this human foible. It's just something we have to live with.

 

[Dave_W]

It appears that this was designed to make people feel they have a entry,mid,and top of the line dx choice..But when the D3300 shows up and rivals the current 5xxx series..It kinda defeats the purpose..No one can confirm yet,but the D3300 possibly has the same sensor as the D7100..That would be nuts and piss people off..Get my point yet? Once again current 5xxx series owners have a great camera..Change is not bad people..Who cares what Canon is doing..What did canon even release lately? I rest my case...Don't you nikonites want Nikon to step up their game in glass? I know I do..

I seems that part of your problem with Nikon's marketing strategy is that you're not seeing the global picture that Nikon has to address. These models aren't meant to confuse or to force buyers into multiple purchases (per se) but rather to maintain an inventory that has to appeal to a global market and not just a western world market. Everyone knows the real money going forward lies in the Asian markets (India/China) whose overall potential dwarfs the west markets. Moreover, these markets tend favor a clear "caste" system (if you will) that allows you to quickly and clearly differentiate where one item is relative to another and having these various models tend to increase sales rather than limit them by appealing to a larger audience.

While you can argue whether or not your ideas on marketing Nikon are better/worse than their current efforts, one thing is for certain - it's an every shrinking marketplace and competition is quickly becoming cut-throat and both Nikon and Canon are doing everything they can to stop the bleed over to smart phones.

 

[Rick M]

Back to the point between D610 and D7100. You can take/keep away all the pro features from the D610, add every pro feature to the D7100, the bottom line is the D610 sensor blows it away. If you can maximize the D610 sensor, the choice is obvious.

 

[ShootRaw]

I just want some updating to their lens..Ones that need it...I am Pro-Nikon for sure..It is Quality over Quanity..

 

[hark]

I just want some updating to their lens..Ones that need it...I am Pro-Nikon for sure..It is Quality over Quanity..

And I believe this is your real beef. And you are correct in that Nikon doesn't update their lenses nearly as often as they update their camera bodies. What is the average to wait for a camera body--one year or so?

Heck, Nikon still advertises AF-D lenses that haven't been updated in over a decade. Here's the list of their lenses.

Digital Camera & DSLR Lenses | All NIKKOR Lenses for Digital SLR Cameras| Nikon

And I agree that lenses in general (not only Nikon but also Sigma, Tamron, Canon, etc.) don't update their lenses in nearly a timely fashion as the camera bodies. Now whether that is due to marketing strategies or something else is beyond me. Is it because the lens companies have reached the upper echelon when it comes to lens design? What I mean by that is this--how much more can they improve on their lenses? There are always new developments when it comes to electronics, and those new developments always seem to appear in the camera bodies. But what new developments happen with lenses?

Sure it would be great to see a Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8 with VR. Sure it would be nice to see newer AF-S lenses. Seems like the real question here is why isn't Nikon updating their lenses more frequently especially the ones that are lacking AF-S and/or VR???

 

[ShootRaw]

One welcome body upgrade will be when the 51point focusing and lack of aa comes to the FX 610.. And hopefully they up the shutter sync speed to 1/8000 as well.

 

[Phillydog1958]

I seems that part of your problem with Nikon's marketing strategy is that you're not seeing the global picture that Nikon has to address. These models aren't meant to confuse or to force buyers into multiple purchases (per se) but rather to maintain an inventory that has to appeal to a global market and not just a western world market. Everyone knows the real money going forward lies in the Asian markets (India/China) whose overall potential dwarfs the west markets. Moreover, these markets tend favor a clear "caste" system (if you will) that allows you to quickly and clearly differentiate where one item is relative to another and having these various models tend to increase sales rather than limit them by appealing to a larger audience.

While you can argue whether or not your ideas on marketing Nikon are better/worse than their current efforts, one thing is for certain - it's an every shrinking marketplace and competition is quickly becoming cut-throat and both Nikon and Canon are doing everything they can to stop the bleed over to smart phones.

Well said, Dave.

 

[Phillydog1958]

Why does GM make so many different models of cars? And Ford? And every other car company? For one reason....to sell! There are different levels of "beginner" and "semi pro" and "pro" level photographers, so having a wide choice of cameras to progress with just makes good marketing sense. We humans are a fickle species, and we like to have an overwhelming abundance of choice. Nikon knows this and takes advantage of this human foible. It's just something we have to live with.

Agreed!

 

[Phillydog1958]

And I believe this is your real beef. And you are correct in that Nikon doesn't update their lenses nearly as often as they update their camera bodies. What is the average to wait for a camera body--one year or so?

Heck, Nikon still advertises AF-D lenses that haven't been updated in over a decade. Here's the list of their lenses.

Digital Camera & DSLR Lenses | All NIKKOR Lenses for Digital SLR Cameras| Nikon

And I agree that lenses in general (not only Nikon but also Sigma, Tamron, Canon, etc.) don't update their lenses in nearly a timely fashion as the camera bodies. Now whether that is due to marketing strategies or something else is beyond me. Is it because the lens companies have reached the upper echelon when it comes to lens design? What I mean by that is this--how much more can they improve on their lenses? There are always new developments when it comes to electronics, and those new developments always seem to appear in the camera bodies. But what new developments happen with lenses?

Sure it would be great to see a Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8 with VR. Sure it would be nice to see newer AF-S lenses. Seems like the real question here is why isn't Nikon updating their lenses more frequently especially the ones that are lacking AF-S and/or VR???

The market dictates that lenses just have a longer shelf life, than camera bodies. The need to rapidly update lenses is not there.

 

[Phillydog1958]

I think we can all agree that we wish it was easier to research camera bodies, but they come and go. The information on what makes one camera body different from another, and be in under one corporate umbrella, is there. Nikon has a comparison tool that one can use to see the specific differences between models. It's there, we just have to find it. The Information Age is to the consumer's advantage. I can't blame the manufacturer for this one. I like Nikon's products and I'm also critical of their handling of various issues (Don't get me started about the D600 fiasco), but this one isn't their issue. It's up to consumers to be informed.

 

[ShootRaw]

I see a lot of these threads now...Im about to pull the trigger to go FX...So tempted to try the 610...Been looking at the D3s as well..But all the ones I find have a high shutter actuation..Not to mention they are around $3500 and up...D800 has croosed my mind due to the better focusing..Ahhhhh. wish Nikon had one more camera in =between the 610 and 800..

 

[SkvLTD]

Well, 800 in DX mode? lol

 

[ShootRaw]

Well guy's..As you know I got the 610..The lack of the extra focus points is alittle anoying..But Iam trying to get used to it..I have put some pics on the 600/610 thread..

 

[gqtuazon]

Well guy's..As you know I got the 610..The lack of the extra focus points is alittle anooying..But Iam trying to get used to it..I have put some pics on the 600/610 thread..

You'll soon discover once you start shooting in portrait orientation, there wont be AF clusters available to focus on the eye.


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[ShootRaw]

Yes and no..^^^Depends..

 

[bigal1000]

I just did..............Why is it so hard to type a message on this website,I have to beat on the keyboard or wait a second between each key stroke ????????????????

 

[ShootRaw]

Huh?