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BackdoorArts
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Re: help
No? Then why specifically categorize post as an "escape" after already having one thread shut down over an exchange?
As is my statement. Where do you see name calling? You can infer anything you'd like from it, but I am merely dismissing your repeated and off-hand categorization of a recognized part of digital photography while pointing out inconsistencies between your signature quote and your actions. Had you eliminated the parenthetical statement I'd have no issue supporting you 100%. But it is the intentional inclusion of the parenthesis that was indeed a provocation based on an earlier exchange.
Look, I'm happy to have views you want to stick to. Espouse them all you want. Just don't do it while being dismissive of others'. I've afforded you that courtesy - at least up until now. But to categorize my posts as "pushing post processing" is akin to saying that a mechanic, when addressing someone who has just rolled into their shop with black smoke billowing from their exhaust, is "pushing repairs" when they tell them that they've got to rebuild their engine, instead of saying, "You know, if you perform routine maintenance on your vehicle..." Does that mean the mechanic does not believe in proper maintenance, or would not advocate that were the person to come in and say, "I just bought this car, and I'm not sure what I should do with it. What do you recommend?" Absolutely not!! A certain type of question demands a certain type of answer, and had the initial question here been about the process and not the result my response would have been completely different.
Go back and reread it - it's not about how she's shooting, it's about what she's seeing, and with no specific comment as to what she was hoping to see. My response speaks for itself as the first thing I address are the things she would have expected to check at the time of the shot. Had there been something like, "How can I make it look more...?", component of the question then I never would have spoken of post. But there wasn't, so I addressed what could still be done, now that she believed she had done all she could, taking time to both explain and show the results. So if anyone has a right to take offense when a detailed response to a question asked is dismissed as escapism it was me. Was I offended? No. But I wasn't going to dismiss it offhand as if it has no validity within the realm of digital photography.
No? Then why specifically categorize post as an "escape" after already having one thread shut down over an exchange?
As is my statement. Where do you see name calling? You can infer anything you'd like from it, but I am merely dismissing your repeated and off-hand categorization of a recognized part of digital photography while pointing out inconsistencies between your signature quote and your actions. Had you eliminated the parenthetical statement I'd have no issue supporting you 100%. But it is the intentional inclusion of the parenthesis that was indeed a provocation based on an earlier exchange.
Look, I'm happy to have views you want to stick to. Espouse them all you want. Just don't do it while being dismissive of others'. I've afforded you that courtesy - at least up until now. But to categorize my posts as "pushing post processing" is akin to saying that a mechanic, when addressing someone who has just rolled into their shop with black smoke billowing from their exhaust, is "pushing repairs" when they tell them that they've got to rebuild their engine, instead of saying, "You know, if you perform routine maintenance on your vehicle..." Does that mean the mechanic does not believe in proper maintenance, or would not advocate that were the person to come in and say, "I just bought this car, and I'm not sure what I should do with it. What do you recommend?" Absolutely not!! A certain type of question demands a certain type of answer, and had the initial question here been about the process and not the result my response would have been completely different.
Go back and reread it - it's not about how she's shooting, it's about what she's seeing, and with no specific comment as to what she was hoping to see. My response speaks for itself as the first thing I address are the things she would have expected to check at the time of the shot. Had there been something like, "How can I make it look more...?", component of the question then I never would have spoken of post. But there wasn't, so I addressed what could still be done, now that she believed she had done all she could, taking time to both explain and show the results. So if anyone has a right to take offense when a detailed response to a question asked is dismissed as escapism it was me. Was I offended? No. But I wasn't going to dismiss it offhand as if it has no validity within the realm of digital photography.
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
Re: help
It's not a discussion, it's an argument, and yes it belongs elsewhere, my apologies. I question whether or not the comments are irrelevant as they pertain specifically to the answers provided, but I agree the manner of the discussion leaves a lot to be desired. I'll go take a time out for a while since it seems I cannot post certain opinions without even mild poking, so better to walk away rather than start again.
Come on guys. Take your personal discussions out of the forum threads. Learn some forum etiquette. I for one am getting tired of these posts in threads where they aren't even relevant. BTW, If I had to choose sides it would be with Jake.
It's not a discussion, it's an argument, and yes it belongs elsewhere, my apologies. I question whether or not the comments are irrelevant as they pertain specifically to the answers provided, but I agree the manner of the discussion leaves a lot to be desired. I'll go take a time out for a while since it seems I cannot post certain opinions without even mild poking, so better to walk away rather than start again.
Flugelbinder
Senior Member
Re: help
It's not a matter of choosing sides. It about giving (in this case) Elaine a different way of looking at this amazing world that is photography, other than shoot, hope for the best and fix it later in post production... I believe was never rude or impolite. I just have a different aproach/understanding to/of photography... Jake, I'm sorry if I ofended you in any way... Like I said before, I really appreciate your insight on pp, but you should accept that others might have a different point of view, and also, that others that are just starting, might want to take a different path than yours...
It's not a matter of choosing sides. It about giving (in this case) Elaine a different way of looking at this amazing world that is photography, other than shoot, hope for the best and fix it later in post production... I believe was never rude or impolite. I just have a different aproach/understanding to/of photography... Jake, I'm sorry if I ofended you in any way... Like I said before, I really appreciate your insight on pp, but you should accept that others might have a different point of view, and also, that others that are just starting, might want to take a different path than yours...
ohkphoto
Snow White
Re: help
I think Jake gave you excellent advice. I would recommend Lightroom as software if you're going to purchase any. I do 75% of my pp in Lightroom and only go to to Photoshop when I want to use filter/layer effects.
. . . and there is nothing wrong with shooting in auto until you get a feel for the camera and the settings, and understand the relation between shutter speed and aperture. Then you can move on to raw and the more manual settings. Just keep shooting and comparing and checking and adjusting. . . in other words, just play!
thank you Jake for your kind words. I guess I am expecting too much of myself. I will definitely get something to edit. I used a free editing software (Fotor), but I really want to use photoshop.
thanks again
I think Jake gave you excellent advice. I would recommend Lightroom as software if you're going to purchase any. I do 75% of my pp in Lightroom and only go to to Photoshop when I want to use filter/layer effects.
. . . and there is nothing wrong with shooting in auto until you get a feel for the camera and the settings, and understand the relation between shutter speed and aperture. Then you can move on to raw and the more manual settings. Just keep shooting and comparing and checking and adjusting. . . in other words, just play!
Re: help
I hope everyone understands that a histogram is a logarithmic graphical representation of your recorded image and the further to the right you push the histogram, the more data (read- detail) you are recording. So in a very real way it's better to have what seems to be an overly bright image with the histogram to the right of center, without blowing out any white areas that contain detail. That way when you lower the exposure to your preference you'll end up with far more detail than if you took a darker image (with a histogram to the left of center).
I hope everyone understands that a histogram is a logarithmic graphical representation of your recorded image and the further to the right you push the histogram, the more data (read- detail) you are recording. So in a very real way it's better to have what seems to be an overly bright image with the histogram to the right of center, without blowing out any white areas that contain detail. That way when you lower the exposure to your preference you'll end up with far more detail than if you took a darker image (with a histogram to the left of center).
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Flugelbinder
Senior Member
Just for the sake of it, because I believe everyone forgot what the real question was... It wasn't: "what can I do in post production to improve this image"...
The D5100 has a specific scene setting for Sunset/Sunrise and when I first got mine I used that regularly to capture some great images. As I have learned more about photography I have looked at the settings the camera automatically used to get an idea of what gets the results you are looking for. I now usually shoot my sunrise/sunset photographs in manual although I will throw in a couple of auto ones to see what the camera thought compared to me!
I found this a great way to learn about shutter speed/ISO/Aperture for the scene or effect you are tring to create.
I started using the free software that came with the camera but now, a year in to my new hobby, I shoot in RAW and post process in Lightroom 5.
To get the great colours from a sunset you will usually need to under expose the foreground to keep the colour in the sky. I post process these in either of two ways, leave the foreground as a silhouette by dropping the blacks in the photograph to give a really crisp silhoueete, or bring up the shadows to show the foreground. I find it's mostly a taste thing as to which way to go.
Here are a couple of examples of the same scene processed both ways. Taken with the D5100
untitled-2203.jpg by Lee532, on Flickr
untitled-2219.jpg by Lee532, on Flickr
I found this a great way to learn about shutter speed/ISO/Aperture for the scene or effect you are tring to create.
I started using the free software that came with the camera but now, a year in to my new hobby, I shoot in RAW and post process in Lightroom 5.
To get the great colours from a sunset you will usually need to under expose the foreground to keep the colour in the sky. I post process these in either of two ways, leave the foreground as a silhouette by dropping the blacks in the photograph to give a really crisp silhoueete, or bring up the shadows to show the foreground. I find it's mostly a taste thing as to which way to go.
Here are a couple of examples of the same scene processed both ways. Taken with the D5100
untitled-2203.jpg by Lee532, on Flickr
untitled-2219.jpg by Lee532, on Flickr