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Adobe's Compromise?
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Browncoat
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Been keeping an eye on CC, and read this article earlier today. $10/month isn't a bad deal, but I'm still not a big fan of how all this is set up.
There has been a lot of this type of thing going on over the last year: subscription-based services that are supposed to make our lives easier/better/faster. It just doesn't feel right to me. Of all the stuff I've read, none of it comes across as "must have". I'm just leery of giving anyone access and control over my photos, because a rights grab is inevitably around the corner.
There has been a lot of this type of thing going on over the last year: subscription-based services that are supposed to make our lives easier/better/faster. It just doesn't feel right to me. Of all the stuff I've read, none of it comes across as "must have". I'm just leery of giving anyone access and control over my photos, because a rights grab is inevitably around the corner.
Horoscope Fish
Senior Member
I don't like it either but I'll probably fold and do it before time runs out.
This whole CC... thing... Just reeks in my book.
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BackdoorArts
Senior Member
If it doesn't go up and they keep the deal open then see me about the time CS8 comes out.
Fred Kingston_RIP
Senior Member
I think one of the issues is value over time... $120/yr gets expensive if they don't really improve and upgrade the products... It might be cheap in the long run if they regularly enhance and add to the product... I've paid for LR and LR upgrades over the years... it hasn't been cheap if you aggregate everything I've paid to stay current...
Don Kuykendall_RIP
RIP :(
I am old and I bought CS6 and I plan on sticking with it. It pretty much does everything I need.
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Browncoat
Senior Member
Sorry, you kind of faded out after that. Did you say something else?
I still use Microsoft Office Pro 2000. A couple of complaints in business correspondence but nothing serious. As I've stated in other posts, all major software companies are focused on smoothing out revenue streams rather than remaining dependent on new release/upgrade peaks/valleys. It's the quest for quarterly earnings mentality that dictates equity market value which commands leverage capability.
That said, there are other software options which perform the same, exact functions Adobe provides for free and (compared to Adobe) chump change. The price for Adobe users is a learning curve and Adobe is very aware of that consumer reluctance in its business model. In most cases suggesting new software with a learning curve to anyone using Adobe is similar to recommending that a religious person question faith in the supernatural.
I do not like the subscription concept for software. I prefer "purchasing" my software. I do not like the idea that if I do not continue to pay the subscription fee, I no longer have access to the software. That results in having a whole bunch of files that become essentially useless if one chooses to not pay the subscription any longer. I realize that some people will compare software subscription fees to cable/internet/phone subscription fees as an argument or justification, but such a comparison is really comparing apples and oranges. If I choose to cancel my cable subscription, I lose access to all those cable channels, but I can still use my television to watch shows/movies/whatever that I own or those available over the airwaves. Not having a cable subscription does not mean I cannot watch stuff I already own. Cancel a software subscription and you no longer have access files you have created. Adobe's subscription service holds consumers hostage. Pay and you can access your files. Do not pay, tough noogies... you are sorry, out of luck. It is legalized extortion as far as I am concerned.
Personally, I do not plan on subscribing to software. I will purchase software that I want to use or move to open source software, which allows me to download the software on my computer and upgrade it if and when I choose. Unlike Adobe, Microsoft is still giving users a choice, go with their subscription version of Office, Office 365, or spend more up front and get Office that does not expire if you do not pay the subscription fee.
Okay, stepping off my soapbox.
Personally, I do not plan on subscribing to software. I will purchase software that I want to use or move to open source software, which allows me to download the software on my computer and upgrade it if and when I choose. Unlike Adobe, Microsoft is still giving users a choice, go with their subscription version of Office, Office 365, or spend more up front and get Office that does not expire if you do not pay the subscription fee.
Okay, stepping off my soapbox.
Fred Kingston_RIP
Senior Member
Of course, everybody is entitled to their own opinion...but in your case, 95% of what you just wrote is technically incorrect.
You might want to take a step back, and goto Adobe's web site, and read their FAQ... Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You don't work in the cloud, your work and programs remain on your computer, and they do NOT stop, and no one denies you access to your files...
You might want to take a step back, and goto Adobe's web site, and read their FAQ... Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You don't work in the cloud, your work and programs remain on your computer, and they do NOT stop, and no one denies you access to your files...
Whiskeyman
Senior Member
I didn't like Adobe's way of upgrading software before. If your version of their software doesn't read your camera's RAW files, then you either purchased an upgrade to their latest software, found another software tool for the job, or did without. I, and a lot of others, complained to Adobe and they released this, but all I really wanted was to be able to use my old software with new cameras. I'd be happy to spend a reasonable amount of money to purchase a plug-in to my Photoshop CS 4 to support the latest RAW versions in my cameras. Then again, I guess $10/month is reasonable to some, but it has to go on as along as you want to use the software, does it not?
I know that Adobe has to make a profit to stay in business, but as an amateur, I just won't support this. One of my reasons is that I'm an old dog, and I don't like new tricks. Another is I'd rather spend my money upgrading my lenses.
I'll just continue to use what software I have and make the best of it. And if I'm missing something, please set me straight.
WM
I know that Adobe has to make a profit to stay in business, but as an amateur, I just won't support this. One of my reasons is that I'm an old dog, and I don't like new tricks. Another is I'd rather spend my money upgrading my lenses.
I'll just continue to use what software I have and make the best of it. And if I'm missing something, please set me straight.
WM
Perhaps I'm missing something but Adobe Creative Cloud FAQ states:
"Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Adobe® Creative Cloud™ desktop applications?
No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Adobe® Photoshop® and Illustrator®) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.
An Internet connection is required the first time you install and license your desktop apps, but you can use the apps in offline mode with a valid software license. The desktop apps will attempt to validate your software licenses every 30 days.
For annual members, you can use the apps for up to 99 days in offline mode. Month-to-month members can use the software for up to 30 days in offline mode."
Doesn't that mean no paid validation, no software function?
Horoscope Fish
Senior Member
It appears to me you're BOTH right...
Adobe's CC "solution" is hybridized in that the applications you subscribe to reside on your computer so you don't need an active Internet connection to use them; whereas in true Cloud-Based computing the application itself would be stored on a web-server, *not* your computer.
In this latter scenario, if you want access to the application, you must have an active Internet connection *because* the app itself is web-based.
What Adobe is doing is having it's subscription-based software "phone home" to the Adobe Mother-ship once in a while to make sure you're paying the rent. If Adobe determines your check has bounced, you get locked out of your software, even though it is stored on your local computer.
In what I see as an attempt to soften the blow, Adobe is offering something like 20GB of free online, "Creative Cloud" storage with your paid subscription. Convenient, I suppose, but not such a big freakin' deal when you consider even a free Flickr account offers you 1TB of the same.
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Fred Kingston_RIP
Senior Member
If you continue to read, if you cancel the subscription, the 20G storage reverts back to a free 2G of storage. And you have 90 days to resync your content (if it exceeds the 2G allowed) to remove your stuff... Of course, if you cancel their subscription, why would you want to use their stuff, getting software updates, and using their cloud storage???
Read every other license agreement... ya'll don't own anything. It's a license to use...
Read every other license agreement... ya'll don't own anything. It's a license to use...
Same deal regardless of where the app itself resides, no payment no app activation. Another kicker:
"If you cancel or downgrade your paid membership, you'll still have access to all of the files in the Creative Cloud folder on your computer and via the Creative Cloud website.
Your account will be downgraded to a free membership, which includes 2GB of storage. If you're using more than 2GB of storage, you will not be able to sync files until the amount of online disk space used in your account drops below your allotted amount.
If you are over your quota, you have 90 days to reduce your online usage or you may lose access to some or all of your files through the Creative Cloud website."
??? I never referred to the cloud and know that all my files remain on my computer. I do remember reading that 6 months after you stop your subscription payments to Adobe, the software you downloaded stops working.
Fred Kingston_RIP
Senior Member
But that isn't what you wrote.