And Corel's Aftershot Pro is like $50 or so, cross-platform (Win/Mac/Linux) and you can install it on all your computers. if you don't want to pay, there is also Darktable which I have used on both Mac & Linux. There are alternatives that work very well for a fraction of the price. Oh, and if you need Adobe Illustrator, there is Inkscape for Win/Mac/Linux.
Adobe Creative Suite Apps Now Subscription Only
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And Corel's Aftershot Pro is like $50 or so, cross-platform (Win/Mac/Linux) and you can install it on all your computers. if you don't want to pay, there is also Darktable which I have used on both Mac & Linux. There are alternatives that work very well for a fraction of the price. Oh, and if you need Adobe Illustrator, there is Inkscape for Win/Mac/Linux.
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I am using Aftershot for my RAW processing and some image manipulation. It works well and has a limited version of Noise Ninja built in to it. If you have an old version of Ninja jut enter your # and it is the full version. It is a very nice application and while not as full featured as Lightroom or Aperture it's pretty close.
I am one of those people who will not store files in the cloud for numerous reasons, including potential for hackers, will the cloud company still be around, I don't want to pay someone else to store my data, subscribe to their software, or hold all my e-mails. External hard drives are cheap and I have total control. I look at all these "cloud models" as just another way to suck money from people who have been sold a bill of goods that the cloud is the way to go. I cringe every time I see the Carbonite commercial on TV. How hard is it to plug in an external drive & click on your computer's backup software.
Okay, off my soapbox.
If you want to discuss your misguided take on cloud services please start a new thread. I started this thread for discussion of Adobe's decision to make the Creative Suite a subscription and I want to keep it on topic.
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I understand your concern that you feel the topic may be drifting from Adobe's subscription service, but it is an overall trend in computer software that many products and services are becoming cloud-centered. Adobe's rationale for this may be to decrease the potential for pirating of their software, but the real purpose is to hook people into their subscription model that becomes a recurring cost to the user and recurring revenue for Adobe.
Agreed, part of Adobe's model for their cloud version is to provide continuous updates with added features, bug fixes, etc. Added features may actually require users to upgrade or replace their computers. Not everyone is able or willing to upgrade their hardware every time new software features are added that require "latest & greatest" hardware. This is something that people should consider when contemplating going to a subscription service.
Personally I think it is very relevant to the topic. Perhaps some of us don't exactly understand about the cloud and what exactly they are doing with all of this expensive software and subscription stuff.
Do you own the forum now sir or hold some kind of rank that you can just tell others to start a new thread and not post on yours?
I disagree with your views on Cloud services, if used for the right purposes, they are incredibly valuable; I won't stop paying for mine. But that's storage, nothing more.
However, I agree with your views on Adobe's subscription model. I have nothing against subscription software (full disclosure...I'm under contract with a subscription based software company) but I believe subscriptions benefit medium and large companies and offer nothing to small businesses and individuals... like photographers. Adobe needed to offer a different option to those licensing a single copy vs. multiple copies. I know the price is cheaper but most small business don't need to always have the latest features. And they may not use an application enough to warrant monthly fees every month. It certainly seems that Adobe doesn't care much for single licenses. They actually believe photographers only need Lightroom. Anyway...this decision doesn't affect me as much as some others because I do not believe in putting all my eggs in one basket. In other words, I have alternatives/backup for everything from hardware to software in case of hardware failures, software incompatibilities etc. So now I can ditch Adobe and still acomplish what I want. I have CS6 and I'll use it when I have too but I will not subscribe and I'll be spending more time on those alternatives.
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Don Kuykendall_RIP
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I think piperbarb handled it pretty well on her own.
Discussions can go many ways and in this instance I think she said it pretty well. If you are not happy about the way a thread is going get it back on track but never put down another member for their opinions. That is not something that goes over very well here.
Lets be nice to everyone.
Discussions can go many ways and in this instance I think she said it pretty well. If you are not happy about the way a thread is going get it back on track but never put down another member for their opinions. That is not something that goes over very well here.
Lets be nice to everyone.
It's not relevant to this thread because the Adobe software is not in the cloud. It's simply a different type of license and payment. If you want to know about cloud services start a thread and let's discuss. I use them and can tell you about the pros and cons.
I may not be a moderator but as the one who started this thread I'd like to have some say in how it progresses. I like organization so I like things to stay on topic. It makes it easier to find later.
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Yesterday Syria dropped off the grid. Wonder what happened?
They stopped paying their fees. Damn subscriptions.
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Frankly, I think anything that calls itself "Creative Cloud" and will store data and projects on-line is by default a "cloud" service. Yes, it's not quite the same as other cloud services but the term "cloud" is far too new to have a defined definition. Cloud and cloud computing is an evolving concept and I'm sure what people think is a cloud today will not be the same as 5 yrs from now.
Don Kuykendall_RIP
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This is a community based forum and all topics are open which means a topic can go in many directions. You can talk about your original topic all you want. Personally I think it is a great topic. My vote is that it is a bad move for Adobe to do. But that is just my opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Nikonites. Does it strictly have anything to do with cloud computing? No it does not but they are very closely related. Again, that is my opinion.
You are welcome to give your opinion on anything as long as it does not put down any member here on this forum. That is not tolerated on Nikonites.
I am not going to get into a spitting match, but you have to realize that threads evolve. I have started numerous threads over the years (on other forums) and ones on this forum, that have drifted far from what the original intent was. That's normal. It's how normal human conversation progresses, and ideas and concepts are developed, and knowledge disseminated. Without that type of drift and change, we would be a very stagnant, dull species, and the ability of being able to agree or disagree via media like this would probably never exist. Sometimes it is good to think outside the box. Strict organization, although necessary for many things, can stifle creativity and the spread of knowledge and ideas.
With this, I will end my discussion on this topic in this thread.
And GIMP will still be free...
You're right. Photoshop has cornered the market but if they go thru this move that will surely be alienating a good sized segment of the Photoshop population and will most certainly open that market up for an enterprising start-up to come in and pick up the pieces. Why a company would shoot themselves in the foot like this is beyond me. I think Adobe completely misread the tea leaves and in the end will reverse their decision and stay with a 2 product system. Or at the very least open up PS and maybe DW and Illustrator to be purchased separately.