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tonye said:
If you want to go FF the d600/610 is considered the lightest with 24mp, no ibis though.
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Unfortunetly the diference on MPB europe is very low between the D610 and D750.It's around 120 euros for versions in good conditions.They weight similar like 850grams with battery and card. The D750 sensor is better at higher iso...
The D850 is weight 1 kg with battery and card....
 
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nikonbill said:
These have been many very good points by @Clovishound and others for sure. To outline something in your budget I do have a Nikon Z50 and I have a test shot for you to evaluate. I would strongly recommend going for the newer Z50II as the advanced processor in the new model would help greatly with your use scenario. This example will give you an idea what you could expect.

Below are two examples of the same shot (one I did not use for the weekly contest) shot at ISO 16000 with my Z50 no flash or other lighting.

The first is exported from the raw file using Nikon's NX Studio this uses the camera settings (they are default) to process the photo in camera. Noise and sharpening and standard picture control used. This shows what the camera does.
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Here is the same photo using the raw file in Affinity V3 only adjustments used were tone control and noise then developed then minor sharpening that is all - to finish the photo I would do a few other edits bit wanted to target your requested reduction in noise. Note: the photos lighter due to my starting process if I would not have done tone the raw file would look very dark. I would add contrast and other edits if I were finishing it, I wanted to show noise control by camera and then software.
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Basically the Affinity edit is the start of my processing both are 1200 pixels on the long side exported as .jpg the Nikon file is 706kbits in size the Affinity file is 1.49Mbits in size there are more available details using the raw file in an external editor using techniques to "preserve" them. I know they can not be created but they can be preserved.

I hope this helps - a Z50II with a two lens kit is around your budget and they are light and easy to pack.
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Thanks for the test. The modified picture looks very "castrated" ..I prefer the unmodified one even with that noise.
 
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That K-2S has some interesting features and seems like a keeper if you didn't want to shoot under such challenging conditions. My low light camera is the D810 but its low light focus capability is not a good as your rig. To combat this use I several tricks, one is I back button focus (BBF) so I can focus at a higher contrast area then easily recompose. I do use a travel tripod, conditions permitting so I can reduce the ISO. Another trick is to use a flashlight to illuminate a area for focus then turn it off, this works in conjunction with the BBF as the camera will not try refocus when the shutter button is pressed. There may be other methods to lock focus on your camera.
The fog pictures are a different challenge as they are lower contrast and there for harder for the camera . As you said manual focus may help here.

Have you looked in to the Z6II the Z6 & 7 were Nikon's first full frame mirrorless I believe, previously they had dabbled in mirrorless with Nikon 1 series.
 
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Just asked Google a question,,,
i want a camera for low light photography with ibis and high resolution



Top choices for low-light, high-resolution cameras with
In-Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) include the 61MP Sony A7R V, which manages high-res noise with AI processing, and the 45.7MP Nikon Z7 II for, overall performance. For better low-light, moderate-resolution options, consider the 24MP Nikon Z6 III or Canon EOS R6 Mark II, which offer excellent high ISO handling and 8 stops of stabilization.

Top Recommendations:
  • Best High-Resolution & Low Light Mix: Sony A7R V (61MP): Combines immense resolution with advanced AI noise reduction and 8-stop IBIS.
  • Best All-Rounder (High-Res/Low Light): Nikon Z7 II (45.7MP): Excellent dynamic range and stellar IBIS performance.
  • Best Low Light (Moderate Res): Nikon Z6 III (24.5MP): Features exceptional ISO handling, 8-stop IBIS, and AF down to -10EV.
  • Best Value Hybrid: Fujifilm X-T5 (40MP): High-resolution APS-C sensor with IBIS and 7 stops of stabilization.
For the best results, pair these cameras with fast prime lenses (e.g.,
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nikonbill

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myststars said:
Thanks for the test. The modified picture looks very "castrated" ..I prefer the unmodified one even with that noise.
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I did this pretty quick and you can see the "control" you can get nothing tricky all simple edits with light and contrast. The neat thing is you are the creator and Ansel Adams was a darkroom specialist.

You would have to rely on lens stabilization with the Z50 its not bad and it does work.

As noted above getting something truly exceptionally "better" is a bit pricey, I have used MPB once with good results.
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tonye said:
Best i can find with low price.

ebay.us

Used Nikon Z6 III Mirrorless Digital Camera (Body Only) 18208016594 | eBay UK

It features a 3.5x faster sensor readout, enhanced autofocus with deep learning, a brighter 5.76m-dot viewfinder, and a vari-angle LCD. However, the box is a little broken and the shutter count is high.
ebay.us
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My country is in EU and taxes may need to be added to that price because it comes from Switzerland. They are not in EU.
Intersting i never thought about asking AI for advice on my camera purchase.... Thanks...
 
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Needa said:
That K-2S has some interesting features and seems like a keeper if you didn't want to shoot under such challenging conditions. My low light camera is the D810 but its low light focus capability is not a good as your rig. To combat this use I several tricks, one is I back button focus (BBF) so I can focus at a higher contrast area then easily recompose. I do use a travel tripod, conditions permitting so I can reduce the ISO. Another trick is to use a flashlight to illuminate a area for focus then turn it off, this works in conjunction with the BBF as the camera will not try refocus when the shutter button is pressed. There may be other methods to lock focus on your camera.
The fog pictures are a different challenge as they are lower contrast and there for harder for the camera . As you said manual focus may help here.

Have you looked in to the Z6II the Z6 & 7 were Nikon's first full frame mirrorless I believe, previously they had dabbled in mirrorless with Nikon 1 series.
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I am curious why you say that about K-S2. First K-S2 is an APS-C camera that i payed around 500$ at that time...Your FF camera was 2900$ at that time... How is possible that my rig is better in low light focus capabilities ?
Anyway those low light suggestion come in handy very much... The camera has a focusing assist green lamp.But the distance is not very long
I asked a couple of posts back here about Z6 mk1..People don't own that specific camera.. You can add your feedback about it if you have it.
Thanks..
 
Needa

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myststars said:
I am curious why you say that about K-S2. First K-S2 is an APS-C camera that i payed around 500$ at that time...Your FF camera was 2900$ at that time... How is possible that my rig is better in low light focus capabilities ?
Anyway those low light suggestion come in handy very much... The camera has a focusing assist green lamp.But the distance is not very long
I asked a couple of posts back here about Z6 mk1..People don't own that specific camera.. You can add your feedback about it if you have it.
Thanks..
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I believe you mention -3 EV for low light focus the D810 is only -2 EV. No mirroless for me yet.
 
Clovishound

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My daughter has a Z50ii, and IMO, it is an excellent camera. It does not have IBIS, but all the Z DX lenses have it incorporated in the lens. I recommended the Z6iii without knowing your budget.

IMO, if you are not editing your photos in post, you are missing out on a lot in your photography. Yes, one should strive to get the shot as close to "perfect" in camera as possible, but post processing can make a huge difference in the appearance and impact of your photos. Even Ansel Adams used darkroom techniques to push his images to the next level and considered it an essential part of the process. Learning to edit requires some time and effort, but it is well worth it. You posted some very good images. I'm of the opinion that incorporating editing into your routine will push you to the next level.

Remember your gear is just a tool. While it certainly helps to have good tools, it is the photographer and his or her skills that really makes the difference. If you were into wildlife, sports or aviation photography, I believe that your equipment would be a more important part of the equation.
 
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The Z6 mk 3 It's more than 2000$ in my country body only..... :)
I feel planets are not align for a new camera....I won't force it...
So I would have to keep the K-s2 for now and learn more photography...
 
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Most of us long for the newest, latest, greatest gear. I'm certainly guilty of it myself. I have also made some poor purchases when I saw something shiny in the window that I thought would make my photography great. Don't misunderstand me, I have be fortunate enough to be able to afford some very nice gear. Some of the features have allowed me to get some images I would not have been able to get with my previous gear. Save your money for now, learn some new techniques and hone the ones you have. When the time is right, you will likely have a better idea of what you want, and more importantly, what you need.

In the meantime, take more photos, explore some new areas, and most of all, have fun with it.
 
tonye

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Well said Clovis hound. Not all on the forum have an endless pot so we just get on with what we have got, some have the latest some ( like myself ) just get on with the oldest, i have a D5200 and a d600, yes old but i get imo some great shots, ebay is my best friend, I've had some bargain lenses in the past, yes i would love to write out my requirements and post it off to nikon but I'm afraid if i did that the bill would be around £50k so just carry on for now and get the most out of the kit you have, from what i have read and seen you are doing ok as you are, there's always a work around with photography just step back, take a breath and think about what you want to achieve in that shot, if it will never work then think about the kit that is required. Best of luck finding that bit of kit.
 
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