Something to outrage Americans / Canadians

Pierro

Pierro

Senior Member
Earlier this evening, there was some TV news headlines here in the UK that i was only kinda half listening to, and one headline caught my ear which annoyed the hell out of me

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" The couple that shot at intruders on their farm recently, are not going to be prosecuted "

How would US or Candian citizens like to live in a country where you cant protect your property / loved ones form scumbags intent on taking all your hard worked for posessions, or even worse, doing you harm while taking all your hard worked for posessions ?

The thing is, the powers that be over here argue that we dont want a gun culture, but they're so out of touch because we already do have a gun culture, its been around for many years, but most of those powers that be live in highly affluent areas, or secure gated communities with guards, which means they're so way out of touch with reality.

Its about time we woke up and smelt the coffee. Since we already have gang gun culture here and have had for many years, when do the hard working honest citizens of the UK get the right to protect their own? We're still so way behind with citizen justice compared to our US and Canadian cousins, and this means if you're asleep and the scum break into your home, you have to think twice before dishing out any true and rightful defence, because you will probably get hauled up in court to answer for or get prosecuted * for defending yourself.

Honestly, if we ever get to the point where the citizen has the right to blow the head off any unwanted intruders, then i'll be at the front of the queue for some serious hardware. And thats coming from someone who doesnt have any particular love for guns, but believe me folks, i'd love the opportunity to turn some scumbags head into a canoe with a 12 bore. I say hey, if they weren't there trying to rob me, or worse, they wouldnt get hurt.

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There was a famous case here of farmer Tony Martin, who's farm was constantly being raided by these aforementioned scum. Sure enough, the scum turned up again. They battered down his door to get in, and soon as they did, he opened up and killed one, maimed another. He was jailed for life, but there was outrage at this.... read the news below

'I don't regret shooting dead teenage burglar', says remorseless farmer Tony Martin | Mail Online
 
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JPar

Senior Member
How many mass shootings have you had in the past few weeks?

I bet we're "winning" that contest here in the US...
 
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Rick M

Senior Member
I would use deadly force in a heart beat, why wait to be a victum? Since you don't know the perps true intent, you gotta take them out first. The burglar assumes the risk as far as I'm concerned, but unfortunately it's not really that easy here either.
 
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Dave_W

The Dude
Wow, that's quite a story. I can't comment on Canada but here in the US things are very different. The US loves her guns and there's an estimated 88 guns per each man, woman and child in the hands of private parties here in the US....crazy, huh? And although there are a wide gamet of opinions concerning guns here in the US, there is one thing most all agree on and that's if your life is in danger then you have every right to defend yourself by any means available. It's a bit hard to imagine someone capable of not defending ones self, in fact it would be unnatural to not defend yourself in a life threatening situation.
 
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Dave_W

The Dude
Pierro

Pierro

Senior Member
Mojo-F said:
It's a bit hard to imagine someone capable of not defending ones self, in fact it would be unnatural to not defend yourself in a life threatening situation.
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Unless you live here. The debate is still going on to this day in Brit land about what you can and cant do to defend yourself. Do they really think innocent people have the time to think about the law when you got perps smashing into your home intent on whatever ( who knows what they're gonna do ? )

As far as i know, you're allowed to " use reasonable force " but thats rediculous. Its not clear enough.
 
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JPar

Senior Member
Mojo-F said:
In case anyone wonders whether or not I just made up the "88 guns per man, woman and child" figure, here's the source I started with

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And I tracked it down here - http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/file...l-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf and followed it up with a Reuters article that claims there are in fact 90 guns per person here in the US - U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters
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I believe it.

A lot of paranoid people here. A lot of game hunters, too. I don't think the answer is banning guns here, but I do think it's a little silly that we let people own weapons that only soldiers and police should be owning.
 
Pierro

Pierro

Senior Member
The public here are not allowed to own tasers or guns. Well guns are ok if you have a licence, which has to go through the courts, and you have to have a reason to have one. Home defence is not a reason
 
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gqtuazon

Gear Head
JPar said:
What should my batting average get up to before I call the police? ;)
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No experience is required. Practice as necessary with the potential thief, then and if you remember to call 911, you can call the cops for help.

cnyram said:
Bullets are cheaper and help keep our taxes lower :)
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Agreed Rick but we have to be a little bit "humane" and "green". So recharging a TASER is good for the environment. :rolleyes:
 
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Eye-level

Banned
Speaking of Texas and home defence let me tell you a story. Remember Ted the dude I met on vacation with the D7000? He told me that about two years ago his house was burglarized and they took him for a bunch of money. A couple of months later he had a premonition that he was going to get hit that again day so he stayed home and holed up in the bedroom with his 45. Sure enough about 9 that morning he heard the door bell ring. Then a few minutes later he heard a window get smashed. He called 911 and said someone was breaking into his house, he feared for his life, and he had a gun. They told them they were dispatching officers to the scene. He then went into the room where the window had just been smashed. There was a person who had their body halfway into his house. Ted shot him once knocking the burglar back out the window and killing them. He then went to the window and opened fire on 3 other burglars as they fled. He dropped one in his front yard. The police took him to the station for about 6 hours and then released him. He lives in Houston.

Ted told me he carried his gun for a long time afterwards and every time he saw someone who resembled the perp he freaked out. He had disturbing dreams for a longtime afterwards.

But he still has all of his stuff...
 
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Dave_W

The Dude
I grew up in LA (the eastern part, no less) in the 60's and 1968 there was a rash of break-in's going on in the neighborhood and I remember very well the policeman explaining to my father that if he should shot to kill and that if he happens to be outside when you shoot him, be sure to drag him in the house before calling the authorities. Crazy, huh?
 
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gqtuazon

Gear Head
Mojo-F said:
I grew up in LA (the eastern part, no less) in the 60's and 1968 there was a rash of break-in's going on in the neighborhood and I remember very well the policeman explaining to my father that if he should shot to kill and that if he happens to be outside when you shoot him, be sure to drag him in the house before calling the authorities. Crazy, huh?
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Sounds like a smart man. It makes it easier for the cops to do their report.
 
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N_Addy

Senior Member
These types of threads usually flare into controversy and arguments. It's refreshing to see this one stay civil.

It's also nice to not see the typical bravado usually displayed. All too often we see people with no clue what it is like to shoot another human being puffing out their chest and claiming that they would "give 'em a third eye". I always cringe at the thought of such a person owning a weapon. Gun ownership is a serious responsibility not to be taken lightly. Guns or any weapon that threatens another human's life or safety should always be a last resort.

I remember reading a story recently about a guy who stopped a stabbing from taking place. He was carrying a licensed concealed weapon but subdued the bad guy with just his hands. When the police asked him why he didn't draw his sidearm he said, "Heck, I just didn't see the need."
 
Photowyzard

Photowyzard

Senior Member
Mojo-F said:
I grew up in LA (the eastern part, no less) in the 60's and 1968 there was a rash of break-in's going on in the neighborhood and I remember very well the policeman explaining to my father that if he should shot to kill and that if he happens to be outside when you shoot him, be sure to drag him in the house before calling the authorities. Crazy, huh?
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Wow, interesting discussion. I live in Canada, Toronto to be exact. Lots of guns here, and as usual, all in the wrong hands.

I can't simply walk into a store and buy one. There is a ton of paper work and so many laws on handling, transportation and storage, why bother.

A good friend and lawyer told me, if you are going to own a gun, own it for target practise. If someone breaks into your home, shoot first to defend yourself, then put the warning shot into the ceiling after.

Crazy? No. I agree with most comments here in terms of your safety and sanctity being violated by a thief or worse.

The only thing that prevents me from trying to own a fire arm is the potential danger from accidental discharge or the thing falling into the wrong hands, like a little kid. I know there are precautions, but I couldn't live with myself if that were to ever happen.

I am for tougher laws. Use a weapon in a crime, your sentence automatically starts at a minimum of 10 years and then tack on the time for the crime. I simply don't understand our legal system. I think some criminals might reconsider using a weapon if they know they were going to spend a minimum of 10 for doing so.

Steal money, like Bernie Madoff, go away for ever.

Kill somebody, get out in 10 on good behaviour. Seriously?

What upsets me even more is how they treat clinically, mentally ill people who commit crimes. Truly ill people don't belong on the streets, much less being able to buy guns. When someone like this commits a crime, it is a tragedy on many levels and the Gov is more to blame than the individual. And yet, they end up in court and in some countries, can even face the death penalty.

As I said before, there is something seriously wrong with our legal systems.
 
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