You can export the "NEF" file a million times and a million ways but the NEF file will always stay the same. The reason I put the first NEF file in perantacies, because once you export a processed NEF file, it's no longer an NEF file. It is whatever you convert it to. (jpeg, TIFF, etc..) The original NEF file will always be there and will always be original, unless you delete it.
LR - Trying to save a FREAKING PICTURE!
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You can export the "NEF" file a million times and a million ways but the NEF file will always stay the same. The reason I put the first NEF file in perantacies, because once you export a processed NEF file, it's no longer an NEF file. It is whatever you convert it to. (jpeg, TIFF, etc..) The original NEF file will always be there and will always be original, unless you delete it.
That is how I understand it as well, thank you.
BackdoorArts
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The NEF file is never changed. Edits are saved either in the LR catalog or as a .xmp "sidecar" file. The latter makes it possible to utilize those edits in another program, or more specifically send them to someone else with an Adobe editing program, so that they can collaborate on the edit (exporting a TIFF file would also allow this, but they could not undo anything that you've done in Lightroom).
Don Kuykendall_RIP
RIP :(
I had people harassing me for a couple of years to try Lightroom. Lightroom is better, Lightroom is great. I tried it. I didn't like it. The thing that finally convinced me to use it was the cataloging of all y photos. I then decided it could replace ACR for the basic stuff and then I could finish up in Photoshop. The more I use it and study it the more I find that for 75% of my photos I can live in Lightroom and have a tiff file for printing and then it will re-size and publish to Facebook for me. It also adds my EXIF data to the Facebook post which I like. Also it is so easy to geotag all my photos using my iPhone and Lightroom. On the trip I am on right now that will save me so much time being able to use Keywords in Lightroom based on the GPS data.
I don't care what your wife says about you we all know you are smart enough to learn this. Gloria has learned how to use it this week and is doing a pretty good job with it.
I don't care what your wife says about you we all know you are smart enough to learn this. Gloria has learned how to use it this week and is doing a pretty good job with it.
conwayinkzn
Senior Member
So it's not just me ☺ I ended up uninstalling LR out of frustration, looking forward to some helpful comments
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Just about reached the uninstall point myself. At Don recommendation I tried it. I can use it once I get the picture into the cursed program, but the getting in and out drives me insane!
You are correct - the NEF file is never modified. I will clarify. Thanks!
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
Not to derail the train, but I've always heard that saving TIFFs for printing and sharing is overkill, and that it's actually better to create a size-specific JPEG for printing and sharing. Maybe that's what you mean and I'm missing it - that the TIFF is used to create the size specific JPEGs as needed?
rocketman122
Senior Member
not a LR fan. too slow, too heavy, bloated, not user friendly. you have tons of things you can do but try finding how to do them. buttons are small and hidden and the sliders are way too small. like PS. im a veteran. an been using it since V4 I think so I know my way around, but a newbie trying to use it will have a VERY hard time unless someone shows him.
I have LR on my pc but I dont think ive ever used it on my new one. I rather use capture NX2 and I do. the export function is a completely inefficient system for editing. its good for those who want to hoard tons of photos and then change and rechange and then change again.
everyone has different needs though. I need speed, I need a variety of tools and fast workflow. LR did not satisfy my needs so looked for something else. a friend recommended acdsee. wow it was ages when I last used that. downloaded it, installed, 15 minutes and I was good to go. for me and editing thousands of images for weddings its king. I can work in the "non destructive" method like LR and export out, or I can edit and it saves the edits on the go in the folder, saving me from the wasteful time of exporting. it saves like PS. deleting an image is just a press away. no need for the dumb popup "do you want to delete this image" notification crap. I can just go to the recycle bin if I did so by accident. for specific editing of images and modifying, PS is king. capture for exporting raw to jpeg. LR is not relevant anymore for me. LR is not a smart software (ANYMORE) even loading thumbnails is extremely slow.
I have LR on my pc but I dont think ive ever used it on my new one. I rather use capture NX2 and I do. the export function is a completely inefficient system for editing. its good for those who want to hoard tons of photos and then change and rechange and then change again.
everyone has different needs though. I need speed, I need a variety of tools and fast workflow. LR did not satisfy my needs so looked for something else. a friend recommended acdsee. wow it was ages when I last used that. downloaded it, installed, 15 minutes and I was good to go. for me and editing thousands of images for weddings its king. I can work in the "non destructive" method like LR and export out, or I can edit and it saves the edits on the go in the folder, saving me from the wasteful time of exporting. it saves like PS. deleting an image is just a press away. no need for the dumb popup "do you want to delete this image" notification crap. I can just go to the recycle bin if I did so by accident. for specific editing of images and modifying, PS is king. capture for exporting raw to jpeg. LR is not relevant anymore for me. LR is not a smart software (ANYMORE) even loading thumbnails is extremely slow.
nikonpup
Senior Member
lightroom is not tough to learn, you do have to do your home work. 5 years down the road when you want to find that shot you took 3 years ago in yellowstone it will be there for u. It is a great organizer if you take the time to do your part.
Photoshop - Lightroom simplified and significantly made post processing faster. Couldn't imagine going back.
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
Nikon ViewNX2 which I quickly replaced with Photoshop Elements (I think I starting with 7 or 8). The Organizer in Elements was a mini-version of the LR catalog module, but not nearly as sophisticated and flexible.
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
FYI, I have many LR books that I've managed to collect over the years, and the Kelby/Klozkowski book did a great job guiding me into the program in a way that was very intuitive and didn't leave me feeling lost. If anyone is interested in recommendations or wants to "borrow" one from the lending library, feel free to PM me. It annoys me to no end that you can lend a physical book but not an e-book, but I've found ways around that. I am more than willing to loan folks my copy on the honor system - if it's valuable to you, go out and purchase your own.
Blade Canyon
Senior Member
Amen, brother. I'm in ACR and PS, but never LR. Doesn't make sense to me.
Let me add that I had a paid one hour private tutorial at a local photography school just to learn LR. I brought my own card loaded with RAWs and JPEGS so we could simulate starting fresh with a new batch of photos from the field. The school's laptop took forever to download the files, and then the teacher showed me some basic stuff about getting started, but I left the class knowing little more than when I went in. Maybe folks like me who have been in PS for more than a decade just can't grasp the concept of LR that easily.
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Blade Canyon
Senior Member
Can you tag images for later sorting or finding with ACDSee? That's the only feature of LR I would want.
I just checked out their website and will demo Pro 8 this weekend.
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rocketman122
Senior Member
dont know really. I dont use that feature. cause once I edit wedding images, I upload them to a server, burn the images on dvd media for archive and thats it. I dont go back unless requested by the BG or the photog I worked for. but I will send them an email theyre very quick.
I dont even know what tagging is since I have no need for it.
but looking through the menu I found this.
Blade Canyon
Senior Member
What I mean by tagging is just putting some searchable data on pics so you can find them fast later, i.e. "NYC" or "Yellowstone" or "tight sweater" ...
RocketCowboy
Senior Member
Yes, you can add tags to your images and then use those tags either for smart collections or searching later.
Blade Canyon
Senior Member
Downloaded ACDSee demo, got it to scan my HD for pics to catalog, and then it froze up and did a force quit. It also will not restart because it says it cannot access the catalog file it just created.