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  1. #11
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    What are your thoughts on this....
    Hi Cindy,

    I have a few thoughts on this too.

    As a relatively new convert to Nikon (Wifey & I switched from Canon about 18 months ago), I have been spending a good deal of time trying to learn & understand the the things that work best in my "new" Nikon world.

    I started out (after selling a ton of Canon gear) with a couple D500's, D850, 300PF, 600F4, 200-500, and several other "standard" lenses. I also bought 1.4x, 1.7x, and 2.0x TC's.

    I am quite familiar with AF Fine Tune (AFMA) and have done that with all my gear (both Canon & Nikon) for many years - all body / lens combos, with & w/o TC's.

    I immediately notice that I was able to achieve excellent and reliable results w/o TC and with the 1.4x TC on all combos. *However*, I was only able to achieve mediocre results with the 1.7 & 2x TC's. I ultimately chalked it up to poor copies of the latter two TC's.

    Then came the Z Bodies and things changed - immediately. First I got a Z6 and discovered that all my lenses, both with and w/o TC's, allowed me to consistently produce sharp images - including the same 1.7 & 2x TC's. NO AF FINE TUNE REQUIRED!

    Now I've added a Z50 to the mix and the same is true with it. I can even use a 500PF (F5.6) + 2x TC (@ F11) and get great results.

    So.... From a pure "weight perspective", you might consider a Z50 with your 300PF and even a 2x TC. It's light and it rocks. It may not focus as fast as the D500, D850, or D5, but it is certainly capable.

    Z50, FTZ, 2.0x TCIII, 300PF = 3lbs, 12.9 oz.




    Z50, 300PF, 2.0x TCIII





    Z50, 500PF, 2x TCIII


    Z6, 300PF, 1.7x TCII



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  2. #12
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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilM_TX View Post
    Hi Cindy,

    I have a few thoughts on this too.

    As a relatively new convert to Nikon (Wifey & I switched from Canon about 18 months ago), I have been spending a good deal of time trying to learn & understand the the things that work best in my "new" Nikon world.

    I started out (after selling a ton of Canon gear) with a couple D500's, D850, 300PF, 600F4, 200-500, and several other "standard" lenses. I also bought 1.4x, 1.7x, and 2.0x TC's.

    I am quite familiar with AF Fine Tune (AFMA) and have done that with all my gear (both Canon & Nikon) for many years - all body / lens combos, with & w/o TC's.

    I immediately notice that I was able to achieve excellent and reliable results w/o TC and with the 1.4x TC on all combos. *However*, I was only able to achieve mediocre results with the 1.7 & 2x TC's. I ultimately chalked it up to poor copies of the latter two TC's.

    Then came the Z Bodies and things changed - immediately. First I got a Z6 and discovered that all my lenses, both with and w/o TC's, allowed me to consistently produce sharp images - including the same 1.7 & 2x TC's. NO AF FINE TUNE REQUIRED!

    Now I've added a Z50 to the mix and the same is true with it. I can even use a 500PF (F5.6) + 2x TC (@ F11) and get great results.

    So.... From a pure "weight perspective", you might consider a Z50 with your 300PF and even a 2x TC. It's light and it rocks. It may not focus as fast as the D500, D850, or D5, but it is certainly capable.
    Wow, Phil! Those are incredible and certainly show more sharpness. I'm not yet ready to add a mirrorless body - during the Black Friday sales, I picked up a second D750 because it's my favorite Nikon body ever. I appreciate knowing and probably down the road will make the move to add mirrorless. Thanks for the images. They are terrific and certainly give me hope.
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  3. #13
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    With a mirrorless focusing with the sensor your days of focus tuning are indeed done. Nikon's yet to make one that'll keep up with my D500 for birding, but when they do I'll be looking to switch.

    Wanted to dig into some of my 300mm + 1.7x images and see what I had. Some of them are real sharp, particularly when the subject dominates the frame. Not so much when they don't. Here's one that's just a tough soft. On the right is the 1:1 straight out of camera image, on the left is the same image after applying Topaz DeNoise AI, Topaz Adjust AI, and then Camera Raw as a filter in Photoshop. Like I said, I'm impressed with their AI filters for sharpening. Really good They just introduced DeNoise 2.0 (haven't played with it much yet) that lets you apply denoise settings to a batch of photos at once, plus it's $20 off and if you use that link you'll get another 15% off. Worth every penny.

    What are your thoughts on this....-screen-shot-2020-01-24-1.11.jpg
    Last edited by BackdoorArts; 01-24-2020 at 07:25 PM.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorArts View Post
    With a mirrorless focusing with the sensor your days of focus tuning are indeed done. Nikon's yet to make one that'll keep up with my D500 for birding, but when they do I'll be looking to switch.
    One certainly can't argue that! I'll be keeping my D500's for the foreseeable future for the very reason.

    I have to admit though, my 500PF has taken a HUGE amount of action from my 600F4 and I can see the same beginning to happen with the Z50 & D500. It's just SO light & convenient. I always have both bodies with me, but the Baby Z has been seeing more & more action as of late.

    I am in 100% agreement with you on the Topaz products. Interestingly, on the files from my Z Bodies (Z50 & Z6), AI Clear still works better than DeNoise AI. For the D500 & D850, DeNoise AI is wonderful.

    Sharpen AI is also a sweet product, but it's an incredible pig on my 2015 iMac. I've worked with Topaz on it and evidently, OSx is not reporting the proper amount of VRAM at application start, so Sharpen AI starts & runs as if I have no Video RAM. It makes that product virtually unusable (Slooooow!) for me. It's fine on a PC, but I despise PC's to I use what works for me. ;-)
    Last edited by PhilM_TX; 01-24-2020 at 08:50 PM.

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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    What are your thoughts on this....
    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorArts View Post
    With a mirrorless focusing with the sensor your days of focus tuning are indeed done. Nikon's yet to make one that'll keep up with my D500 for birding, but when they do I'll be looking to switch.

    Wanted to dig into some of my 300mm + 1.7x images and see what I had. Some of them are real sharp, particularly when the subject dominates the frame. Not so much when they don't. Here's one that's just a tough soft. On the right is the 1:1 straight out of camera image, on the left is the same image after applying Topaz DeNoise AI, Topaz Adjust AI, and then Camera Raw as a filter in Photoshop. Like I said, I'm impressed with their AI filters for sharpening. Really good They just introduced DeNoise 2.0 (haven't played with it much yet) that lets you apply denoise settings to a batch of photos at once, plus it's $20 off and if you use that link you'll get another 15% off. Worth every penny.

    What are your thoughts on this....-screen-shot-2020-01-24-1.11.jpg
    Thanks for this comparison, Jake! One thing I need to do is to take photos of something smaller in the frame and possibly crop a little. I appreciate your input!
    Cindy
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    and My 2020 Thread

    Where the Spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art
    -- Leonardo da Vinci



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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    What are your thoughts on this....
    So the refurbished TC arrived this afternoon and without performing any AF tuning, I tested it out. It isn't a fair comparison to the hawk images because I stopped down to f/8 here and used a slightly faster shutter speed. However I tried to replicate my post processing to match what I did with the hawk photos.

    Out of the shipping box, the TC arrived in a brown cardboard box sealed by Nikon. It listed the serial number and the fact that it is refurbished. The exterior of the TC shows some wear on the bubbled finish of the exterior, but that's just cosmetic. The rear element had me concerned as it looked like there were a few spots of coating missing. But I remembered seeing the same effect on my 1.4x TC that I purchased preowned at Allen's - and they carefully cleaned the rear element. So I carefully cleaned this rear element. All spots were removed.

    So here are a couple from this afternoon. I haven't yet done any side-by-side comparisons but plan to do so for better comparisons. And like I mentioned in my reply to Jake, I really need to compare some cropped images. Both of these below have no crops.

    Please feel free to let me know your thoughts.

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3452-low-res.jpg

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3465-low-res.jpg
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  7. #17
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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    I'd be happy with that.
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    Jake
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  8. #18
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    Re: What are your thoughts on this....

    Quote Originally Posted by PhilM_TX View Post
    I have to admit though, my 500PF has taken a HUGE amount of action from my 600F4 and I can see the same beginning to happen with the Z50 & D500. It's just SO light & convenient. I always have both bodies with me, but the Baby Z has been seeing more & more action as of late.

    I am in 100% agreement with you on the Topaz products. Interestingly, on the files from my Z Bodies (Z50 & Z6), AI Clear still works better than DeNoise AI. For the D500 & D850, DeNoise AI is wonderful.

    Sharpen AI is also a sweet product, but it's an incredible pig on my 2015 iMac. I've worked with Topaz on it and evidently, OSx is not reporting the proper amount of VRAM at application start, so Sharpen AI starts & runs as if I have no Video RAM. It makes that product virtually unusable (Slooooow!) for me. It's fine on a PC, but I despise PC's to I use what works for me. ;-)
    I was shooting eagles for an hour with a guy who obviously worked out more than me that was shooting with a D500 and a Sigma 60-600mm (or something like that) and he said he needed a hot tub (we were both shooting hand held). The Z50 doesn't have the fps that I want nor some other features, but I'm waiting both patiently and eagerly.

    As for Sharpen AI, I'm on a 2014 MacBook Pro, so yes, I feel your pain. I did a video for a friend and had to edit out 2-4 minute chunks while I waited for either the preview to refresh or it to actually render the image. If I even think I'm going to use it everything else I have up will get shut down. I think it's actually mislabeled. It's not the best sharpening tool, but it is amazing for its ability to "(Re)Sharpen" an image.

    Interesting note about Clear vs. DeNoise as I hadn't heard that.
    Jake
    (formerly backdoorhippie)

  9. #19
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    Technically, the Z50 is capable of 11FPS (electronic shutter) vs. 10 on my D500's. *However*, the buffer on the D500 is way deeper.

    Not trying to sell or influence anyone. Just sharing my experience. I still love my D500's.

    Good weekend to all!

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    What are your thoughts on this....
    Actually these might not be too bad of a comparison to the photos from the first hawk images. These were also shot at f/6.7 although I bumped up the shutter speed a notch with these. Although there isn't a great deal of DoF, the hawk's head looks to be in better focus. When I edited the photos the other day, I think I used a brush and applied a little sharpening to its head since that TC seemed to front focus. @BackdoorArts what do you think since this is a closer apples-to-apples comparison to the original hawk photos? The only difference is I removed some of the distracting branches in these. The first image below is a tad sharper than the second - and that probably has everything to do with user error. There was 1 frame in between these two images.

    Although these images don't have quite the depth that the original hawk images had, this refurbished TC seems to be a little sharper with an improved ability to get closer to the true focus point.

    All the images have blue sky in these whereas the original hawk images had purple sky. Plus the metering seems to be more consistent with this TC. But I will still perform some tests over the next few days.

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3444-low-res.jpg

    What are your thoughts on this....-_dsc3446-low-res.jpg
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