Steve Perry Video - STOP STRUGGLING WITH SHADOW RECOVERY!

Dangerspouse

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Danno said:
Received this video link from Steve Perry's site, Back Country Gallery. It was an interesting discussion about ISO. I found it kind of interesting. Like most of his videos he always has good info.
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I subscribe to his newsletter and watched the vid the same day also. Loved all of it, as I do most of his videos.

Early last year Tony Northrup* did a similar video on ISO not being as much a contributing factor to noise as aperture and shutter speed. He showed pretty convincing examples and, like Perry, discussed how ISO is not really a measure of sensor sensitivity. The basic take away I got from that and Steve's vid is that for the least amount of noise it's best to use the slowest shutter speed and largest aperture you can for any given shot, rather than raising ISO first.

*Not to veer away from the topic but I don't understand the vitriol I've seen at times directed towards the Northrups, from here and elsewhere. "I see the name 'Northrup' on a video and I immediately dismiss it" is a sentiment I see surprisingly often. I just don't get the enmity. When I decided to get into digital photography in 2017 I took their advice on what DSLR a beginner should get (a D3300), watched a 1 hour tutorial from Tony on its features and functions, then spent more hours watching their tutorials on lighting, composition, gear, etc. I learned a lot from them, as well as from Mr. Perry and Matt Granger. My own guess is that because of the sheer volume of content he puts out, including opinion and commentary, there will always be things someone will disagree with. And this being the internet, when you disagree with someone they are automatically despised, practically. Or maybe it's their delivery? Their camera presence? Whatever it is, it sure seems to distract people from some useful and practical advice backed up by real examples. /soapbox
 
Peter7100

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Dangerspouse said:
I subscribe to his newsletter and watched the vid the same day also. Loved all of it, as I do most of his videos.

Early last year Tony Northrup* did a similar video on ISO not being as much a contributing factor to noise as aperture and shutter speed. He showed pretty convincing examples and, like Perry, discussed how ISO is not really a measure of sensor sensitivity. The basic take away I got from that and Steve's vid is that for the least amount of noise it's best to use the slowest shutter speed and largest aperture you can for any given shot, rather than raising ISO first.

*Not to veer away from the topic but I don't understand the vitriol I've seen at times directed towards the Northrups, from here and elsewhere. "I see the name 'Northrup' on a video and I immediately dismiss it" is a sentiment I see surprisingly often. I just don't get the enmity. When I decided to get into digital photography in 2017 I took their advice on what DSLR a beginner should get (a D3300), watched a 1 hour tutorial from Tony on its features and functions, then spent more hours watching their tutorials on lighting, composition, gear, etc. I learned a lot from them, as well as from Mr. Perry and Matt Granger. My own guess is that because of the sheer volume of content he puts out, including opinion and commentary, there will always be things someone will disagree with. And this being the internet, when you disagree with someone they are automatically despised, practically. Or maybe it's their delivery? Their camera presence? Whatever it is, it sure seems to distract people from some useful and practical advice backed up by real examples. /soapbox
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The Northrup’s had a bit of an online YouTube bust up with Ken ‘The Angry Photographer’ several years ago. If you had seen the original video by the Northrup’s (they removed it from their own channel) as it was rather nasty the things they said, obviously referring to Ken. The Angry Photographer is a bit of a colourful character that won’t be to everyone’s tastes but I lost a bit of respect for the Northrup’s after that.
This may be one of the reasons some people dislike them but as you say if someone has any interesting points on photography then I will still watch them.
 
Danno_RIP

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Dangerspouse said:
I subscribe to his newsletter and watched the vid the same day also. Loved all of it, as I do most of his videos.

Early last year Tony Northrup* did a similar video on ISO not being as much a contributing factor to noise as aperture and shutter speed. He showed pretty convincing examples and, like Perry, discussed how ISO is not really a measure of sensor sensitivity. The basic take away I got from that and Steve's vid is that for the least amount of noise it's best to use the slowest shutter speed and largest aperture you can for any given shot, rather than raising ISO first.

*Not to veer away from the topic but I don't understand the vitriol I've seen at times directed towards the Northrups, from here and elsewhere. "I see the name 'Northrup' on a video and I immediately dismiss it" is a sentiment I see surprisingly often. I just don't get the enmity. When I decided to get into digital photography in 2017 I took their advice on what DSLR a beginner should get (a D3300), watched a 1 hour tutorial from Tony on its features and functions, then spent more hours watching their tutorials on lighting, composition, gear, etc. I learned a lot from them, as well as from Mr. Perry and Matt Granger. My own guess is that because of the sheer volume of content he puts out, including opinion and commentary, there will always be things someone will disagree with. And this being the internet, when you disagree with someone they are automatically despised, practically. Or maybe it's their delivery? Their camera presence? Whatever it is, it sure seems to distract people from some useful and practical advice backed up by real examples. /soapbox
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I started out watching them when I first got started in photography. The more I learned from people that I trusted and respected here and elsewhere the less I respected their results and their opinions. There views on ISO and DX vs FX glass and half a dozen issues I can no longer recall caused me to trust them less and less. The final straw was the review they gave of the Z6. It was the worst that I watched. They complained about things like auto white balance that had they simply looked at the menu they would have seen there was more than one. There was an issue with focus, but much of what they complained about was related to improper set-up. Even when they did their set-up recommendation video it was wrong in too many ways to count.

The funniest thing that I saw was not to long ago was when they recommended that no one needed more than 1080P for YouTube videos and they were downsizing and a month or three later when Canon came out with their flagship mirrorless with 8K I think, that was what everybody needed. I still go to their site now and then. I just recognize that much of it is Click Bait. I do not trust their output at all. It seems more driven to create controversy.
 
BF Hammer

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Dangerspouse said:
I subscribe to his newsletter and watched the vid the same day also. Loved all of it, as I do most of his videos.

Early last year Tony Northrup* did a similar video on ISO not being as much a contributing factor to noise as aperture and shutter speed. He showed pretty convincing examples and, like Perry, discussed how ISO is not really a measure of sensor sensitivity. The basic take away I got from that and Steve's vid is that for the least amount of noise it's best to use the slowest shutter speed and largest aperture you can for any given shot, rather than raising ISO first.

*Not to veer away from the topic but I don't understand the vitriol I've seen at times directed towards the Northrups, from here and elsewhere. "I see the name 'Northrup' on a video and I immediately dismiss it" is a sentiment I see surprisingly often. I just don't get the enmity. When I decided to get into digital photography in 2017 I took their advice on what DSLR a beginner should get (a D3300), watched a 1 hour tutorial from Tony on its features and functions, then spent more hours watching their tutorials on lighting, composition, gear, etc. I learned a lot from them, as well as from Mr. Perry and Matt Granger. My own guess is that because of the sheer volume of content he puts out, including opinion and commentary, there will always be things someone will disagree with. And this being the internet, when you disagree with someone they are automatically despised, practically. Or maybe it's their delivery? Their camera presence? Whatever it is, it sure seems to distract people from some useful and practical advice backed up by real examples. /soapbox
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I like to watch most of Tony and Chelsea's videos, but they are guilty of the click-bait hooks. Tony's "ISO is Fake" video is one of his most outrageous. He tried to make a claim about ISO that his own photos contradicted to my eye. So I take their information with a grain of salt.

When we get to the bottom-line, the regular YouTube content producers are there to make money more so than to educate. How many paid gigs does Jared Polin even do anymore? I think it's clear he makes the majority of his income by YouTube clicks, even with me ignoring everything he has done since going mirrorless. :D
 
Patrick M

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BF Hammer said:
I like to watch most of Tony and Chelsea's videos, but they are guilty of the click-bait hooks. Tony's "ISO is Fake" video is one of his most outrageous. He tried to make a claim about ISO that his own photos contradicted to my eye. So I take their information with a grain of salt.

When we get to the bottom-line, the regular YouTube content producers are there to make money more so than to educate. How many paid gigs does Jared Polin even do anymore? I think it's clear he makes the majority of his income by YouTube clicks, even with me ignoring everything he has done since going mirrorless. :D
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Interestingly Jared did a video quire recently on how much he makes from YouTube...
https://youtu.be/iLl7yc68Ox0
 
BackdoorArts

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I believe Tony was the person I saw talk about the fact that if you shoot DX then you're an idiot if you by FX glass. It was the first and last video I watched from him.
 
Peter7100

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The general consensus seems to be that the Northrup's are definitely there to make money and are not too bothered how they achieve that. So putting that aside, most seem to like Steve Perry but who else do people like to follow on Youtube?
I will add The Angry Photographer because he certainly doesn't make a living from Youtube and he has had an awful lot of experience with his massive collection of lenses and bodies.
 
Whiskeyman

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Dangerspouse said:
*Not to veer away from the topic but I don't understand the vitriol I've seen at times directed towards the Northrups, from here and elsewhere. "I see the name 'Northrup' on a video and I immediately dismiss it" is a sentiment I see surprisingly often. I just don't get the enmity. When I decided to get into digital photography in 2017 I took their advice on what DSLR a beginner should get (a D3300), watched a 1 hour tutorial from Tony on its features and functions, then spent more hours watching their tutorials on lighting, composition, gear, etc. I learned a lot from them, as well as from Mr. Perry and Matt Granger. My own guess is that because of the sheer volume of content he puts out, including opinion and commentary, there will always be things someone will disagree with. And this being the internet, when you disagree with someone they are automatically despised, practically. Or maybe it's their delivery? Their camera presence? Whatever it is, it sure seems to distract people from some useful and practical advice backed up by real examples. /soapbox
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It used to be the same with Ken Rockwell and his reviews, although they weren't on Youtube at the time. I've found that with any advice you get, no matter the source or subject, you have to pick and choose what works for you. Some of the advice is spot on, some is absolute garbage, and some works to some level in certain conditions for some people. The more extreme the advice, though, the more likely it is to be controversial. Anyway, learn by taking other's suggestions out into the field and experimenting and find out what works for you.

WM
 
Dangerspouse

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Peter7100 said:
...most seem to like Steve Perry but who else do people like to follow on Youtube?
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Aside from my aforementioned trio of Northrup, Perry, and Granger, I'm also a huge fan of Adorama's Gavin Hoey. The guy is upbeat without being over the top. His instructional videos are always succinct and spot-on, a welcome relief from so many YouTubers who feel the need to have a two minute introduction, 30 seconds of "like and subscribe!" shilling, ASMR sequences of them setting up or walking to the next shoot, etc.

Gavin does it right.
 
Danno_RIP

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BackdoorArts said:
I believe Tony was the person I saw talk about the fact that if you shoot DX then you're an idiot if you by FX glass. It was the first and last video I watched from him.
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Yes Jake, that was the Northrup's video... I had forgotten about that one. There have been a number of those that they have made.
 
Danno_RIP

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