Rechargeable batteries?

WayneF

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Will I skimp on a few dollars to save money, or shell out bucks for a longer lasting battery? You guessed it, I will pay the extra for longer lasting, even if it means buying a new set every 18 months or so.

You are kidding yourself, not even thinking. If the difference in 2400mah vs 2000mah is really worth double price to you, then you instead should be buying conventional NiMH 2900 mah. :) You are definitely not interested in this one charge lasting weeks or months anyway. But many other casual users definitely are.

But my point was, your advice that "The regular eneloops will not handle flash" was simply an idiotic statement. They are easily the best choice for flash, for most of us.

Again, Eneloop XX does have 20% more capacity, but for twice the price, and 1/3 the life span. And those do work too, but we don't have to live like that. :)
 
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MrF

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Yes indeed. It really comes down to budget and price. If you take price/cost out of the equation than the XX are better. I am a pro, and my business pays my bills and cost of living. I also shoot very long days, all over the country and stay consistently busy. Will I skimp on a few dollars to save money, or shell out bucks for a longer lasting battery? You guessed it, I will pay the extra for longer lasting, even if it means buying a new set every 18 months or so.


With this being said. Eneloops are badass, even the regular versions. So if the regular Eneloops are more in your budget, get them. Eneloops are amazing.
I'm not a pro, but I think if I was, I'd just get two sets of the normal eneloops for that price and effectively have 4000mAh. I can't see changing batteries 20% more often during an event being that big of a hassle - imagine all the battery changes wedding shooters had to do when all they had were 700mAh alkaline batteries.

The big advantage to me of the eneloops was the low self-discharge aspect. The fact that I could charge them today, and pull them off the shelf a year from now and still have 90% of their capacity compared with losing that same amount in a single day with NiMH batteries.

To the OP, while the XX's do have a higher capacity, unless you're going to put your flash on the camera and shoot for hours at a time, you probably won't notice a difference in practical use. If you're like me and use the flash often, but not continuously, you should be fine with the regular Eneloops. If you want to spend the money, buy an 8 pack and keep one set charged. It's more total energy than one set of XX's for the same price.
 
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Corey @ Faymus Media

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

You are kidding yourself, not even thinking. If the difference in 2400mah vs 2000mah is really worth double price to you, then you instead should be buying conventional NiMH 2900 mah. :) You are definitely not interested in this one charge lasting weeks or months anyway. But many other casual users definitely are. But my point was, your advice that "The regular eneloops will not handle flash" was simply an idiotic statement. They are easily the best choice for flash, for most of us. Again, Eneloop XX does have 20% more capacity, but for twice the price, and 1/3 the life span. And those do work too, but we don't have to live like that. :)

im not kidding myself and I am no idiot. The XX batteries last longer and I don't care about price.
 

carguy

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

I'm not a pro, but I think if I was, I'd just get two sets of the normal eneloops for that price and effectively have 4000mAh. I can't see changing batteries 20% more often during an event being that big of a hassle - imagine all the battery changes wedding shooters had to do when all they had were 700mAh alkaline batteries.

The big advantage to me of the eneloops was the low self-discharge aspect. The fact that I could charge them today, and pull them off the shelf a year from now and still have 90% of their capacity compared with losing that same amount in a single day with NiMH batteries.

To the OP, while the XX's do have a higher capacity, unless you're going to put your flash on the camera and shoot for hours at a time, you probably won't notice a difference in practical use. If you're like me and use the flash often, but not continuously, you should be fine with the regular Eneloops. If you want to spend the money, buy an 8 pack and keep one set charged. It's more total energy than one set of XX's for the same price.

Agreed. For my recreational use the standard version will suit my needs just fine. Thanks for all of the input :cool:
 

§am

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

I have the charger in this review (sorry, not sure where you could pick one up now a days though): 7dayshop 808LCD Battery Charger Review | Steve Rix

I like the fact that it came with a power outlet cable (so once you insert batteries they start charging at 1A), but also a USB cable and car cigarette lighter charger too (both of which start to charge at 400mA)

However, quite a few people have recommended the following charger to me too: Battery Logic UK - Technoline BL-700 intelligent LCD battery charger


I don't have Eneloop batteries, but I do use extermely good alternatives from VapexTech: Vapextech UK Ltd AA 8 x NiMh+ Rechargeable Batteries NEW Technology

They hold their charge well, and I've yet to find a situation where I've needed to break open the spare set I carry around for my SB-700 (all be it, I'm not using the flash constantly).
I think the last time I charged the batteries for my flash was the end of Jan, and they still show a near full charge on my charger.
 

Samsonite

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Sorry to revive this post, but ive been looking at chargers for 2 weeks and havent made my mind up yet... From what some people have said, the Powerex MH-C 9000 is the best charger, but has anyone tried the Sanyo charger that the batteries come with? From what I gather, one of the main advantages of the powere MH-C 9000 is that it recharges batteries quickly, Im planning on buying 2 sets of batteries, so I will always have spares, so fast charging really isnt a priority for me... Are there any other benefits to the MH C9000? Will it maintain the batteries in better condition that the Sanyo one? I find it hard to justify spending the extra money on the MH-C 9000 if the Sanyo one will charge them and maintain them just as well....
 

carguy

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

I have not made a purchase yet either. I'm still monitoring this thread for when I am set to pull the trigger.
 

Samsonite

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Ive found this which looks like a good deal it includes 4 Eneloop XX Batteries (And is 30 dollars less than the MH C-9000). It also charge each battery individually and can charge AAA batteries too... It lists a charge time of 220, which is less than 4 hours... Much better than my old energizer one which took about 15 hours for 4 batteries!

Genuine Sanyo XX eneloop AA 2500mA Rechargeable Battery x4 + MQR06 Quick Charger | eBay
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Sorry to revive this post, but ive been looking at chargers for 2 weeks and havent made my mind up yet... From what some people have said, the Powerex MH-C 9000 is the best charger, but has anyone tried the Sanyo charger that the batteries come with? From what I gather, one of the main advantages of the powere MH-C 9000 is that it recharges batteries quickly, Im planning on buying 2 sets of batteries, so I will always have spares, so fast charging really isnt a priority for me... Are there any other benefits to the MH C9000? Will it maintain the batteries in better condition that the Sanyo one? I find it hard to justify spending the extra money on the MH-C 9000 if the Sanyo one will charge them and maintain them just as well....

I have a MH-C9000, and I love it. Certainly it is excellent, and has many features. While certainly better than some, it is not necessarily better or faster than all (but you can change its default charge rate of 1 amp to be from 0.2 amp to 2 amps). Maha says rates too slow make it hard to detect the cutoff point properly, and too fast gets too hot. If you just insert the batteries and walk away, it does 1 amp, which is ideal for Eneloops. 1 amp means a 2000 mah battery will charge in 2 hours if fully discharged (2 hour rate is called 1/2 C), but they never are fully discharged, and one hour is more common for me.

Here is the MH-C9000 manual, you can see what features it has:
http://www.mahapowerex.eu/user-manuals/mh-c9000-manual-en.pdf

The LCD reporting is nice. The many features are nice. But here's the big deal. The cheap chargers are too dumb to monitor the batteries properly. Some just charge for a fixed time and then cut off... but this is without regard for the size of the battery, or its initial state of dischange (or its needs). Some just charge until the batteries get too hot, and then cut off. That can work, but the better smart chargers actually monitor the voltage on each battery (but also watch temperature too).

Sanyo chargers surely know what they are doing, surely better than some, it would be my choice in a cheap charger). But they are inexpensive chargers. Notice that inexpensive 4-cell chargers have two LED status lights (this Sanyo charger too), but better smart chargers have four LED status lights. The cheap chargers charge two cells in series, and are unable to monitor the two cells individually. If one cell is at a lower charge state, or partially defective (going bad), this disrupts the overall picture, and the good cell suffers from being treated the same. Better smart changers are effectively four chargers in one, with four status LEDs (and four monitoring circuits), and these monitor individual cells, and each cell gets what it needs, no more, no less. My notion is that we need at least that much (four LED status reports, one for each battery).

All the Maha chargers are smart, and all are quite good. I also have a Maha C-401FS, no LCD but it has the four LEDs and is a smart charger. It has a switch to select two charge rates, one is the proper 1 amp rate and one is much slower. Its cost is not much different than the C9000 however. They also make excellent eight cell chargers.
 

nickt

Senior Member
Re: Recharagble batteries?

Ive found this which looks like a good deal it includes 4 Eneloop XX Batteries (And is 30 dollars less than the MH C-9000). It also charge each battery individually and can charge AAA batteries too... It lists a charge time of 220, which is less than 4 hours... Much better than my old energizer one which took about 15 hours for 4 batteries!

Genuine Sanyo XX eneloop AA 2500mA Rechargeable Battery x4 + MQR06 Quick Charger | eBay

I think that charger will be fine. It does have four individual channels. It doesn't have all the fancy features, but it should do the job.
 

WhiteLight

Senior Member
Again reviving a month old thread..
i was checking for rechargeable batteries on google & it led me here :p

anyhow, am looking at buying a few AA & AAA batteries for the iMac mouse & KB and other stuff..
no flash units yet...
A longer life is definitely preferred limiting the number of charges.. yea am lazy as lazy can be..

but my point is, there seems to be no price difference between the plain Eneloop AA & the XX Eneloop AA batteries???
I got to buy it off ebay cos there are no direct sellers here...
It is coming from a power seller & i have bought from him in the past, so it's surprising after reading all the debates here..
any thoughts?
Am able to get a set of 4 AAA XX batteries at around $14.50 and same price for the vanilla AAA as well..
What gives??
 

gqtuazon

Gear Head
Here are the latest Eneloop products. From the original Sanyo Eneloop to the new Panasonic Eneloop Pro which offers higher capacity similar to the XX Eneloop that are offered in the US.

D7000 with Nikon 105mm f2.8 VRI :D


Eneloop 005 by gqtuazon, on Flickr
 
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