Pentax K-3 vs Nikon D600

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SkvLTD

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You are correct, you are not following my point. Nikon has a very poor selection of DX lenses, slapping a. 2 pound lens on a DX body is not the same as using one of Pentax's superb limited DX lenses. I love Nikon and it is my camera of choice, but that does not preclude them from having a weak DX line-up. Do you now follow my point?

As far as transitioning to FX, many many, many shooters will never buy an FX camera. Not all are able to dip into their trust funds to afford the cost.

Your K-3 and D600 cost perhaps $300 apart, but a larger sensor does absolute wonders for low light anything. On-board software and processing power is proper semi-pro since the camera is aimed at semi-pro's rather than enthusiasts and consumers.

On your ISO note, sure, I used to aim shooting at 100 because my 5100 simply couldn't do decent quality above 400-640. D600 can, almost completely safely into 2000s.

So maybe for still daytime shooting, on a tripod, you can get better IQ, but in more adverse lighting and moving subject conditions I'll beg to differ.
 

NVSteve

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Not all are able to dip into their trust funds to afford the cost.
I sense a bit of hostility/resentment in that comment. Yes, there is a price difference between full frame and cropped sensor bodies. Depending on which 2 you are looking at, that difference could be gigantic or trivial.
 

SkvLTD

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I wouldn't be so sure. Digital Camera Review says the K-3 pretty much spanks the D600, then steals its lunch money:



Read the full story here: Nikon D600 vs. Pentax K-3 Image Comparison: Pentax Sweeps Nikon

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the findings but it certainly is food for thought.

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I see daylight stills, which hardly tells me how it handles low light and motion. For still, it is the top of the line camera, DX or not, so you'd almost expect at least as much.
 

BobLoblaw

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Surely if you've turned 360 degrees you're back with Nikon!!

With regards to image quality, most modern DSLRs are very good and brand choice is down to other factors.


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Yeah make that 180 degrees, because there's no chance of going back with all the features of Sake Reduction. Horizon correction and the rest of it, plus everything you put on it is stabilized.
 

BobLoblaw

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I'm assuming that since you quoted me, this was directed at my comments. However, I said "the miniscule weather resistant Pentax lens selection is very limited," not zooms in general. The better zoom lenses, which are the DA* series, are the lenses most people would be looking at to get a weather sealed lens onto their weather sealed body. The af motor issue to which I am referring is the SDM motor failure of DA* zooms, which has NOT been cleared up as many posts on Pentax forums indicate. This obviously does not mean every single lens will have the failure, much like not every D600 body will show oil spots. For those who enjoy shooting primes or the non-weather sealed zooms, I think Pentax is a fantastic option.

The only other comment I'll make concerns the CA on a number of lenses. I've downloaded thousands of photos from the K-5 to the K-3, the majority of which are RAWs. I do agree that CA can be corrected for in post, but some of the CA I've seen from a few of the Pentax lenses is absolutely insane & can't be fully eradicated. I won't comment on anything else (like "full frame is just a rip off for consumers, and a status symbol for pros"), but let me just say thanks for posting up your opinion.

Yeah those are fair points. Whether current SDM complaint comments are regarding older lenses that have recently failed is anyone's guess. Tokina makes a bunch of those lenses for Pentax, and some of them do have high CA's, but sharpness levels are extremely high.

Regarding "Full frame is a rip-off": After i bought a Pentax, I read a lot of comments and ensuing arguments regarding Pentax not having a FF camera. Having been used to the Nikon and Canon mantra of emigrating to FF, I was surprised to see a lot of Pentax users simply not giving a darn whether Pentax makes a FF camera - to which I was stunned. It took a bit of time for it to filter into my thick skull, but these folks know what they've got. They've got IQ that stands shoulder to shoulder against FF and even beats certain FF cameras. All thats missing is ISO 6400 (print worthy 6400). You don't really need to crave a FF in Pentax.

Regarding shooting primes and non-weather sealed lenses: Shake Reduction - all lenses will be stabilized; Horizon correction (the sensor levels itself. No more crooked pics); 3-4 stops of SR; Tiltable sensor (tilt shift photography); perspective control (widen a scene when you're in a tight spot); astrotracer (sensor tilts to track stars. no streaks). Can a Nikon do that ?

There are plenty of features and plenty of great lenses. Out of the thousands of Pentax images you've downloaded, which images were bad which lenses were used - I mean if they were pushing the lens to the extreme, you're bound to get CA's or flare.

Plus you don't have to always buy weather sealed lenses. Nikon and Canon weather sealing isn't very good, and thats why you see pro's in the rain using umbrellas and camera-rain-jackets. So Nikon (and Canon) weather sealing isn't real weather sealing, they're just dust and humidity sealed - so the point is moot. There is effectively no truly weather sealed lens (or body) in the Nikon (or Canon) line up that you can confidently use in the rain. But Pentax's "minuscule" line up can be used confidently in real rain.

Thanks for your thoughts, but you need to research a little further.
 
Yeah those are fair points. Whether current SDM complaint comments are regarding older lenses that have recently failed is anyone's guess. Tokina makes a bunch of those lenses for Pentax, and some of them do have high CA's, but sharpness levels are extremely high.

Regarding "Full frame is a rip-off": After i bought a Pentax, I read a lot of comments and ensuing arguments regarding Pentax not having a FF camera. Having been used to the Nikon and Canon mantra of emigrating to FF, I was surprised to see a lot of Pentax users simply not giving a darn whether Pentax makes a FF camera - to which I was stunned. It took a bit of time for it to filter into my thick skull, but these folks know what they've got. They've got IQ that stands shoulder to shoulder against FF and even beats certain FF cameras. All thats missing is ISO 6400 (print worthy 6400). You don't really need to crave a FF in Pentax.

Regarding shooting primes and non-weather sealed lenses: Shake Reduction - all lenses will be stabilized; Horizon correction (the sensor levels itself. No more crooked pics); 3-4 stops of SR; Tiltable sensor (tilt shift photography); perspective control (widen a scene when you're in a tight spot); astrotracer (sensor tilts to track stars. no streaks). Can a Nikon do that ?

There are plenty of features and plenty of great lenses. Out of the thousands of Pentax images you've downloaded, which images were bad which lenses were used - I mean if they were pushing the lens to the extreme, you're bound to get CA's or flare.

Plus you don't have to always buy weather sealed lenses. Nikon and Canon weather sealing isn't very good, and thats why you see pro's in the rain using umbrellas and camera-rain-jackets. So Nikon (and Canon) weather sealing isn't real weather sealing, they're just dust and humidity sealed - so the point is moot. There is effectively no truly weather sealed lens (or body) in the Nikon (or Canon) line up that you can confidently use in the rain. But Pentax's "minuscule" line up can be used confidently in real rain.

Thanks for your thoughts, but you need to research a little further.

My main question is if you love Pentax so much and shoot pentax why are you posting on this forum?
 

Marcel

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This thread is getting close to being closed. Please remember this is a Nikonites Forum and it should not be used to pry Nikon users away from their Nikons. There are plenty of general photography forums to preach to.
 

NVSteve

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Yeah those are fair points. Whether current SDM complaint comments are regarding older lenses that have recently failed is anyone's guess. Tokina makes a bunch of those lenses for Pentax, and some of them do have high CA's, but sharpness levels are extremely high.

I have run across a few posts from people who purchased lenses fairly recently & had the SDM failure. But, who knows how long those lenses have been sitting on the shelves. One of the recurring complaints is that the lens works fine, then is put away & unused for a month, then immediately has the SDM fail upon next use.

Regarding "Full frame is a rip-off": After i bought a Pentax, I read a lot of comments and ensuing arguments regarding Pentax not having a FF camera. Having been used to the Nikon and Canon mantra of emigrating to FF, I was surprised to see a lot of Pentax users simply not giving a darn whether Pentax makes a FF camera - to which I was stunned. It took a bit of time for it to filter into my thick skull, but these folks know what they've got. They've got IQ that stands shoulder to shoulder against FF and even beats certain FF cameras. All thats missing is ISO 6400 (print worthy 6400). You don't really need to crave a FF in Pentax.

Strange, because I see all kinds of Pentax users clamoring for a Penatx FF. But I agree, what they have now in the Pentax stable should appease most people.

Regarding shooting primes and non-weather sealed lenses: Shake Reduction - all lenses will be stabilized; Horizon correction (the sensor levels itself. No more crooked pics); 3-4 stops of SR; Tiltable sensor (tilt shift photography); perspective control (widen a scene when you're in a tight spot); astrotracer (sensor tilts to track stars. no streaks). Can a Nikon do that ?

All excellent features.

There are plenty of features and plenty of great lenses. Out of the thousands of Pentax images you've downloaded, which images were bad which lenses were used - I mean if they were pushing the lens to the extreme, you're bound to get CA's or flare.

The reason I am not with a Pentax now has a lot to do with this. The photos with really bad CA were not what I would consider challenging in any sense, yet they sprouted CA like the plague. This was a wide range of lenses, essentially all the zooms that are weather sealed. From what I remember, the 18-135 was bad in this respect, but more surprising was how soft it is on the sides. I just remember thinking that if I could make this lens work until they got the SDM issues ironed out, then I could be a happy shooter. But, the 18-135 just didn't cut it with me. At that point, I deleted all of my Pentax folders and scratched them off my list of potential cameras altogether.

Plus you don't have to always buy weather sealed lenses.

No, one does not have to. In my case, weather sealing is absolutely essential. There's no way I would buy a fantastically sealed body only to not used a weather sealed lens on it-defeats the purpose. But, I also know I am in the minority as most people don't seem to care about sealing whatsoever.

Nikon and Canon weather sealing isn't very good, and thats why you see pro's in the rain using umbrellas and camera-rain-jackets. So Nikon (and Canon) weather sealing isn't real weather sealing, they're just dust and humidity sealed - so the point is moot.

Not sure what particular point is moot, but I do agree with you. I wouldn't trust any Nikon body or lens unprotected in the rain. Kind of hard to have any confidence with a fairly expensive lens that only has a rubber gasket on the mount (see lensrentals tear down of "pro" lenses). It absolutely kills me that I have to "bag" my body/lens so often in the elements.

There is effectively no truly weather sealed lens (or body) in the Nikon (or Canon) line up that you can confidently use in the rain. But Pentax's "minuscule" line up can be used confidently in real rain.

I used to shoot with the Olympus E-3 and various sealed Oly lenses. In horrendous conditions. Never had one spec of doubt about the sealing. That's why I really, really wanted the Pentax to work out for me. Unfortunately, the whole SDM issue with the only lenses I wanted kept me away. If there was no SDM problem, I'd be shooting Pentax now.

Thanks for your thoughts, but you need to research a little further.

Research what exactly? You presume that I haven't done enough research? I like what works. I don't care what brand is on it as long as it meets my needs. That being said, I refuse to get drawn into a pissing match involving fanboyism, which it seems to be leading to.
 

SkvLTD

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I honestly look at the potential cap of a series of systems rather than little quirks. Do real pro's shoot Pentax today? Not that I know of. Do modern Pentax offering shoot billboard prints? Not, really. So it's not so much that they do or don't have an FF body as the fact that they stopped catering to pro standards and levels, and that's not the best practice considering pro's spend FAR more money than your average camera kit consumer or +1 lens hobbyist.
 

Marcel

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OK, I think you all had plenty of arguments, this is going nowhere and nobody wins. So, I close it NOW!

Thanks for your very different points of view.
 
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