New 80-400 AF-S or 70-200VRII + TC-20e III?

Geoffc

Senior Member
My wife currently has the 70-300 AF-S VR lens which is a great lens for the money. In reality I think it's regarded as great 70-200 and ok 200-300 although personally I think it's worth every penny given what it delivers. My wife has hankered after a bit more length for some time (I'm assuming she means focal length), but the reality is that longer focal length means big weight. Anyway the subject has come up again and I think it might be time to bite the bullet. It basically comes down to three options:

1. Sigma 150-500 - Great bang for your buck up to (So the reviews say) 400mm. It is not an exotic but can deliver as many of Jake's pictures demonstrate. Out of the options here this is definitely the biggest and heaviest lens which is not good for this requirement. This is a lens that is really suited to outdoor stuff where focal length is required given the aperture.

2. New 80-400AF-S. Gets great reviews and probably has the edge optically over my other choices. The downsides are price and aperture. It's not a trinity or exotic telephoto so it's been priced purely on a pent up demand for a replacement of the old lens. It will either stay at the inflated price or current buyers will kick themselves when it drops. It also requires a £150 Kirk collar to replace the tat that comes with it. This is a lens that is really suited to outdoor stuff where focal length is required given the aperture. For that purpose alone I think this would be the one to go with.

3. 70-200 2.8 VR II +TC-20e III. I already have this combo so I know what it's like as you can see here. I use that example as it's handheld and wide open at F5.6. On that basis any blurred or unsharp images that I take must be my failing not the camera and lens, although the lens and body has been to Nikon to be AF tuned as it was out of range. Whilst I haven't compared the two options, I suspect this is not quite as good optically as the 80-400, but better than the 150-500, although that's also based on reviews rather than real world experience so don't shoot me if you know otherwise. Even if those suggestions are wrong I know this combo can deliver, however, more importantly it gives two options because it turns into a completely different top notch 70-200 when the TC is removed which is good indoors and out. In reality I use mine more without the TC that with it.

My question is, has anybody used option 1 and 3 or even 1,2 and 3 such that they can dispute my logic of recommending option 3?

For selfish reasons I'd recommend the 80-400 as I'd like to have a play with it :D but I don't think she would be happy if we were out and I took the TC off mine and carried on shooting as the light went down.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
If you're wanting to venture into the <300 range, wait to see what the Tamron 150-600 can do.


I did think about that but it will have the same issue as the Sigma in that it's a heavy lens. I must admit, when I look at some of Jake's with the Sigma it can deliver some great results. To be honest we've discussed it since the initial post and the fact the you get the 70-200 2.8 as well is a big plus point for obvious reasons. Maybe I can concoct a reason to get the Tamron for myself at some point :D
 

Dave_W

The Dude
I'm in a similar quandary, not sure if an 80-400mm is enough of a bump over a 70-300mm to be worthwhile or if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go with the 500mm. Playing with my 70-300mm, I took photos of a bird at 200mm and then at 300mm, which would be a larger change than 300mm to 400mm and unfortunately the difference seemed minor. So I'm wondering if anyone has both the 70-300mm and the 80-400mm and can say there's enough of a difference to be worthwhile.
 

Scott Murray

Senior Member
I am actually thinking of going for the 70-200 and not the new 80-400 (even though I have the old 80-400). Reason is the larger aperture at f/2.8 and how good it is at separating your subject from the photo.
 

480sparky

Senior Member
I am actually thinking of going for the 70-200 and not the new 80-400 (even though I have the old 80-400). Reason is the larger aperture at f/2.8 and how good it is at separating your subject from the photo.

I was seriously considering the new 80-400, but opted for the 70-200 and 1.7 TC instead. Never have given the 80-400 another thought.

Now, with the Tammy 150-600 on the horizon, that paired with the 70-200 (and maybe a 1.4 TC) would be a killer sports / wildlife combo!
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
I'm in a similar quandary, not sure if an 80-400mm is enough of a bump over a 70-300mm to be worthwhile or if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and go with the 500mm. Playing with my 70-300mm, I took photos of a bird at 200mm and then at 300mm, which would be a larger change than 300mm to 400mm and unfortunately the difference seemed minor. So I'm wondering if anyone has both the 70-300mm and the 80-400mm and can say there's enough of a difference to be worthwhile.

I've just had a similar debate with my wife as I said my 70-200 at 200mm produced better images at the same image size (Cropped)as her 70-300 at 300mm as the 70-200 just resolves more detail. It's a bit like pixels, more doesn't automatically mean better and with lenses focal length is only one factor. The higher end lenses are in a different league when it comes to resolving detail and image quality. That said, the 70-300 is still fantastic and probably better on a £ for £ basis. I think you will find the new 80-400 is in a different league to you 70-300 even if you use it at 300mm.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
I am actually thinking of going for the 70-200 and not the new 80-400 (even though I have the old 80-400). Reason is the larger aperture at f/2.8 and how good it is at separating your subject from the photo.

Scott, I assume you mean the 70-200 without a TC, as mine is 5.6 with that attached.
 

aroy

Senior Member
Im my experience when you need longer lenses, especially outdoors, then you need the longest you can afford. Thus there is rarely any need for the shorter end of zooms. In such case a prime Telephoto makes more sense, especially as it is normally faster and lighter than a zoom.

One of the best bangs for the buck lenses are the Nikon 300mm f4. With a 1.4TC you get a decent 400mm which is light weight and extremely pocket friendly. Here is a comparizon of this combination with the other options

Nikon 300mm f/4D AF-S Review
 

gqtuazon

Gear Head
Sambr and Billy Y are the ones that owns the newer version and he has been using it a lot for his wild life photography. I also have read nothing but great reviews about that lens. If I need something greater than 300mm, that lens would be it for casual birding and even sports photography with good light.

I don't normally use lenses that are greater than 200mm and the medium range FL are what I normally use the most so I have no interest with this lens (yet).

Some sample post below.

http://nikonites.com/d4/16907-fall-trip-d4-80-400g.html#axzz2poF293N9
 

essahar

New member
I was trying to ask the same question and I'm 80% will go for the combo. The reason is that with 70-200 you have a fast lens for indoor photography (wedding, concert, indoor sport...) with a good low light performance. and my need for the telephoto is for birding which usually I do in sunlight. My question to the one who have the AF-S 80-400 is what is the minimum aperture when using this lens at 200? An other reason to go for the combo is that in my store they are almost at the same price.
I had the 150-500 but quickly sold it because the poor auto-focus performance when shooting birds in flight out of 100 photo maybe 2 or 3 the subject is correctly focused
 
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