Re: Guide to Zero Noise with Median Stacking - Photography & Photoshop CC Tutorial
I have added my comments in blue above
The guy who did the second video Ian Norman answered a question about how many shots do you need to take.
Here is what he said :
I don't bother correcting color fringing, it doesn't bother me, every lens does it and it's rarely distracting in my opinion. Fix it if you desire.
I shoot 16 shots because it roughly equates to 4x better signal to noise ratio while still being a reasonable number of shots to make at a time. In order to get 5x better, 32 shots would be necessary. for 6x better, 64 shots would be needed. Basically there are diminishing returns as we increase the number of shots so after about 16 photos it starts becoming a lot more time/work.
As a scientist working with statistic and signal processing, I though I might add a few comments to this interesting thread.
Firstly, @wornish, if I understand your example correctly, it is rather misleading. The top picture is a single exposure of 1/15 s, correct? The bottom picture is a stack of five exposures, so it contains information from 5 * 1/15 s = 1/3 s, five times longer. Regardless of the median stacking, the bottom picture has a much longer effective exposure, so, obviously, the noise will be lower. But perhaps I misunderstood your example.displayedbv
The top picture is the aligned stack of 5 pictures each taken at 1/15 sec converted to a smart object. Effectively its one shot as you can only "see" the top layer of the shot.
The second picture is a copy of the same stack but this time the layers have been stacked with Median stacking mode.
I think the important question here is the one asked by @Geoffc. Consider five shots of 1/15 s and one shot of 1/3 s, but with lower ISO. They should have collected the same amount of photons, so why would the median stack resulted in lower noise?
This is because the median is not sensitive to outliers, i.e., speckles or hot pixels. If you open your shutter for 1/3 s and collect all the light, there will be photons with unusually high energy coming occasionally, creating what we see in the image as speckles. If you divide this exposure into five, the chances are that in the given pixel the speckle event will happen only once, maybe twice. The median will help eliminating these "outliers".
Imagine you observe one pixel in one colour channel. Let us assume that the typical value of this pixel in this channel is 65 (you could establish this taking a long exposure at very low ISO). Now, let's take five short pictures. We can get values like these:
65, 68, 61, 95, 64
You are correct in that Median stacking does exactly what you describe and remove outliers it does this on a pixel by pixel basis. It certainly doesn't remove all noise but it does reduce it dramatically. The more shots you take the more it removes outliers.
Sensor thermal noise and other types of noise vary on a shot by shot basis so even these get the treatment. The OP in post #18 gives a link to a youtube video that shows how this is used in astro photography. No system is perfect but it certainly makes a difference when you are forced to use high iso. Its just another tool to be aware of. I for one had not seen this technique before and never ventured in to that part of photoshops menu system.
The numbers marked in black represent typical noise, while the 95 in red is a spurious event. Now, if you took one longer exposure instead, the result would be the mean of these numbers, about 71, which is brighter than the typical value of 65. If you take the median of these five numbers, the result will be 65, close to a typical value.
The median stacking can help you lower some types of noise, namely speckles and hot pixels. It will not eliminate this type of noise entirely, it will not eliminate background Poisson noise, thermal noise and other sensor artefacts, it will not lead to zero noise, as claimed in the title of the thread. I'm sorry guys, but you cannot beat physics and statistics. Noise will be always present in your pictures.
I have added my comments in blue above
The guy who did the second video Ian Norman answered a question about how many shots do you need to take.
Here is what he said :
I don't bother correcting color fringing, it doesn't bother me, every lens does it and it's rarely distracting in my opinion. Fix it if you desire.
I shoot 16 shots because it roughly equates to 4x better signal to noise ratio while still being a reasonable number of shots to make at a time. In order to get 5x better, 32 shots would be necessary. for 6x better, 64 shots would be needed. Basically there are diminishing returns as we increase the number of shots so after about 16 photos it starts becoming a lot more time/work.
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