Focus tuning a 70-200

fhibbs12

Senior Member
well I purchased focal after doing everything manually and it is showing me resuslts very similar to what I was getting

From 4 meters at the 70 end I am getting a +11
From 9ish meters from the 200 end I am +2

Is this reasonable? What value should I use? Purchased at adorama so I can return but then I am gambling again. Tamron 70-200 VC USD
 

fhibbs12

Senior Member
at 200mm 7.5 meters its at -5

This is about rediculous???? Is this common for the variation to be this bad between focal length and zoom length?

At 4ish meters 70mm it starts around +12 the it drops to -10ish from 85mm to 200mm between 5 and 10 meters. then back around +2 from 10meters on at 200mm

I redid them over and over and all are consistently giving same results.....
 

fhibbs12

Senior Member
Yes. All my nikor are between -3 and +3..... I really enjoy the quality but the drop in tuning from +11 to -10 from 70 mm to 135 hurts
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Yes. All my nikor are between -3 and +3..... I really enjoy the quality but the drop in tuning from +11 to -10 from 70 mm to 135 hurts

Big salad of numbers there. Contact tamron and see what they say. id be interested to know what their solution is. thats your best bet before you do a return, I think.

Why these 3rd party trio cant get their act together and do a damn QC test before sending these lenses out? WTH is wrong with these people? theyre only shooting themselves in the foot. customers arent happy, they tell others, who are then very weary to buy their lenses. sheesh. common sense.
 

fhibbs12

Senior Member
See im coming from primes up to 85mm I been wanting something a little longer.

I just don't know if I want to gamble with another or return it and just get the Nikkor 105 VR since I don't have a micro yet.... That extra 20mm might be what I need. 135 would be perfect but cant wait on sigma or nikon to release that!
 

ShootRaw

Senior Member
With the rebate the 105mm 2.8 vr is $800 shipped...Sorry to hear..I took a gamble on my Sigma on the long end..Couldn't be happier...
 

Rick M

Senior Member
With that spread you have a bad lens. Return it for another copy or get the 105, it really comes down to which one you want more.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
See im coming from primes up to 85mm I been wanting something a little longer.

I just don't know if I want to gamble with another or return it and just get the Nikkor 105 VR since I don't have a micro yet.... That extra 20mm might be what I need. 135 would be perfect but cant wait on sigma or nikon to release that!

Between my wife and I we have two bought new Nikkor 70-200 vrii lenses, two D7100 and a D800 body. The variation is just as you describe on your lens and varies between bodies. It's normal. Also you can only tune a lens at one focal length and distance to subject. Unfortunately that's just physics. I tend to tune at the long end as you are more likely to have shallow depth of field.

I have focal but ended up using tethered test shots against a stuffed animal target with longer lenses, such as these with teleconvertors.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
It's not uncommon on zooms. The problem is, you can only fine tune to one point ... unless you have a newer Sigma with a USB dock which allows for 4 point tuning across the zoom range (are you listening, Nikon?!). Frustrating, I know.

I tend to tune zooms at the long end if only because Depth of Field is minimized there at small apertures so tuning is more critical (a 70-200mm lens will have about 3" of DoF at 10 feet at 200mm f/2.8, but a full foot of DoF at 70mm f/2.8, so even if you're off a bit it may be masked).

Still, I would contact Tamron and/or the purchase location and see about swapping out lenses.
 

rocketman122

Senior Member
Wow! 4 focus points! Thats precision for ya.
But its like saying "yea, we know we have crap qc control, u dont like it, buy the usb dock and use that, thats the best we want to do, now piss off"

Still my question is why all the adjustments are necessary?
why not better tuning at the plant? I dont accept human error, money it Costs for the qc. Thats unacceptable. People are accepting what mfr give ani think its wrong. Prices go higher and produxts are crappier qc. I dont care to hear their excuses of bad qc. There is reason for it.
 
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BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Wow! 4 focus points! Thats precision for ya.
But its like saying "yea, we know we have crap qc control, u dont like it, buy the usb dock and use that, thats the best we want to do, now piss off"

Still my question is why all the adjustments are necessary?
why not better tuning at the plant? I dont accept human error, money it Costs for the qc. Thats unacceptable. People are accepting what mfr give ani think its wrong. Prices go higher and produxts are crappier qc. I dont care to hear their excuses of bad qc. There is reason for it.


Actually, that's not the case at all. Every zoom is going to vary along its length to some extent, even if it's -2 here and +2 there. That's a 5 point range, which when taken across the length of a zoom isn't too bad at all and may hardly be noticeable. But some folks, and pros in particular, will notice it. By brother walks around with Canon gear worth in the high five-figures, and he is as anal as they get with focus tuning. Canon allows two adjustment points on zooms (are you listening Nikon?!) and he still complains about some zooms being off in spots, so it's not a QC issue. He picked up a new Sigma 120-300mm "Sports" lens and raved about the precision which with he could get it tuned to his 5D. However, it seems there's a thing in the focus routines on the 1D's that made this lens go from +17 at 200mm to -16 at 300mm, and the range in between was crap for focus tuning. A full blog on his experience with the lens, Canon and Sigma customer service can be read here, but suffice it to say that after trips to the Sigma shop in NY, exchanges with their engineers and receiving a custom tuned replacement direct from Sigma they were never able to overcome the issue, which is buried in the firmware of the Canon 1D's (something confirmed by his Canon rep). The lens has zero issues with any other body, and as much as he loves it he no longer owns the lens since it won't work with his work camera.

The truth is, there are subtle intricacies with different pieces of equipment that make focus tuning necessary in order to achieve perfect focus, and it's not just to overcome poor quality control. So you can bitch and call it a cop out, but there are people out there who require a level of precision that Sigma is stepping up to provide for their customers. Because it's not on the cheap consumer gear that they're offering this level of tuning on, it's on their high end Art and Sports series lenses - like those that some people whine about costing $1300 out of the box. You can't have it both ways, dude. But I get it, you have this thing against Sigma.
 

Geoffc

Senior Member
Wow! 4 focus points! Thats precision for ya.
But its like saying "yea, we know we have crap qc control, u dont like it, buy the usb dock and use that, thats the best we want to do, now piss off"

Still my question is why all the adjustments are necessary?
why not better tuning at the plant? I dont accept human error, money it Costs for the qc. Thats unacceptable. People are accepting what mfr give ani think its wrong. Prices go higher and produxts are crappier qc. I dont care to hear their excuses of bad qc. There is reason for it.

Don't forget the body tolerance is also part of this. And if the lens is out in one direction and the body in the other you get a big delta. I'm sure they could make everything exact, but then we couldn't afford the gear.

For people coming from the wonderful world of DX to FX it will seem like everything just got fuzzy if the AF isn't perfect. This is due to the reduced DOF on FX. Also, going from 12 to 24/36mp bodies will make things looks a lot less crisp at 100% zoom unless you nail it.
 

fhibbs12

Senior Member
Well....

I used it in an indoor highschool basketball game....

The AF shut off on my near the end of the game. I wasn't to pleased. Was basically the last straw. Shipped it back.

Debating on trying another or just going with the nikkor f4 and adding the 16-35 f4 since im in the mood to blow monies.....
 

fhibbs12

Senior Member
The replacement landed.... feels like a completely different lens.

VR and focus is near silent. The whining from infinity in is now gone. I haven't tuned it but at least spot checking it at 200 and 70 it seems consistent.

Only downfall, my old one I sent back had a stiffer zoom lens which I liked. This is slightly looser but still great.
 

mauckcg

Senior Member
The replacement landed.... feels like a completely different lens.

VR and focus is near silent. The whining from infinity in is now gone. I haven't tuned it but at least spot checking it at 200 and 70 it seems consistent.

Only downfall, my old one I sent back had a stiffer zoom lens which I liked. This is slightly looser but still great.

Excellent news!
 
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