Feeling perturbed with flash support on camera

westmill

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Even the top pro cameras like the D3x only sync to 250th sec !
Thats hardly a quater of a stop differance. If you think in terms of full stops... 30-60-125-250-500 !
Doubling the shutter speed is = one stop. So the differance between 200th sec to 250 is rather small.
You have a great camera :D
 

eurotrash

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Even the top pro cameras like the D3x only sync to 250th sec !
Thats hardly a quater of a stop differance. If you think in terms of full stops... 30-60-125-250-500 !
Doubling the shutter speed is = one stop. So the differance between 200th sec to 250 is rather small.
You have a great camera :D

I know I do. I still want a D7000 (likely will wait for the next iteration of that version however given the age) because I feel like I want better accessibility for certain options that the 5100 doesn't give such as dedicated buttons, more focus points, ergonomics, better viewfinder, battery life, faster shutter speed and more flash capability. I wish I had the cash when I bought my 5100, but I remember the 7000 being almost 500 bucks more and I couldn't justify it at the time. I've found I can do without most of the features that the 5100 has such as the scenes modes and dumb down my video capability in search of these perks honestly. I'm more concerned with pictures than "toys" at this stage.
 
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MrRamonG

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yup me too. can't use it. thank you, i'll try these settings and see what I can come up with.

Does anyone know why when the flash is engaged it drops the shutter to sync with 1/200th? I would like to be able to exact more control. I don't know if I need to, but it certainly feels limiting for future projects...

With your camera type, if you were to fire a flash at a faster shutter speed (than 1/200), because of how the curtain shutters travel, only a portion of your image would be lighted by the flash. One curtain follows the other. 1/200 is the fastest shutter speed in which neither curtain obscures the image. at a faster shutter speed one or both curtains will be present as one curtain quickly follows the other.
 

Marcel

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Seems to me that you've outgrown the camera or, due to lack of funds, you bought the model that didn't have what you really needed. It happens sometimes.
 

eurotrash

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Yep:-[ I feel bad that I now have to buy again and take a loss on the camera.. maybe I can trade with someone but I doubt that will happen.
Camera only has about 8000 actuations on her, well maintained. How much you think I could get for that and the kit lens plus a cheap superzoom to put towards another body?
 
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Carolina Photo Guy

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Yep:-[ I feel bad that I now have to buy again and take a loss on the camera.. maybe I can trade with someone but I doubt that will happen.
Camera only has about 8000 actuations on her, well maintained. How much you think I could get for that and the kit lens plus a cheap superzoom to put towards another body?


DUDE!!! You're in DC!!!

Sell it to the government for around $700,000.00. Those morons will think it's a hell of a deal! :)

(I want a 10% sellers fee!)
 

MrRamonG

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Yep:-[ I feel bad that I now have to buy again and take a loss on the camera.. maybe I can trade with someone but I doubt that will happen.
Camera only has about 8000 actuations on her, well maintained. How much you think I could get for that and the kit lens plus a cheap superzoom to put towards another body?

I'd have to disagree with Marcel. Your camera is a perfectly fine camera. Like Westmill said, even top pro cameras only sync to 250th sec. Don't think of the Flash Sync as a limitation, it is merely fact. Lean to adjust and accommodate for that fact. Besides, it's more about your skill and glass than the body when it comes to good pictures.
 

MrRamonG

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Ahh aha. I kinda want a picture of the curtain now :)
Here's an example of a picture take where the rear shutter curtain was already in motion when the flash fired, ie. no sync. (image from Wikipedia)
Flash_sync_failure.jpg
 
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eurotrash

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It's not really all about pictures at this point. It's more about functionality and quickness of certain controls.the 5100 just doesn't seem like it will grow with me like the 7000 will. better flash support is only a small portion of the larger equation. The ability to adjust controls to my liking on the fly without having to navigate to recount with menus is a big plus. Also like stated the nicer viewfinder more auto focus points and the like just make it a better camera. the 5100 just doesn't seem like it will grow with me like the 7000 will
 

MrRamonG

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That's a fair assessment, and gripe with your 5100. I cant imagine having to use the menu screen to make some manual adjustments.
 

eurotrash

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That's a fair assessment, and gripe with your 5100. I cant imagine having to use the menu screen to make some manual adjustments.

If the 5100 had more assignable buttons, life would be peachy. But I think the max is 2. That's simply just not enough for someone that's getting more serious about things. It's probably not even used by 90% of the 5100 owners out there, but again, these are sometimes people who leave their cameras in auto or "no flash" mode all the time and still clutch the kit lens out of fear or fear of complexity. Cameras are definitely pretty complex these days, but higher end models certainly try and make your life a bit easier so you don't occasionally miss shots due to navigating through confusing menus lol.

I don't mean to rip on the camera, i do love it. It's a great model. I think I've simply outgrown it to an extent and now need something more versitile and targeted to what I'm trying to achieve with my photography. That's all.. Still, great camera for the money.
 

eurotrash

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Yea, i don't need a d300s or anything. But everyone SHOULD have something that they won't outgrow or be frustrated with in a year of heavy learning :)
 

Obir

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I do like the fact that I can change just about any setting I need through either dedicated or assignable buttons on my d7000. I'm sure the 5100 is a great camera, but it must be frustrating if you have to go through menus if you change settings often.
I'm also limited to sync speed of s320 on my d7k using the sb-400. But, per the manual, it should achieve up to s8,000 with a sb-600.
Good luck in your decision:)
 
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