That's the 'crop factor'..... it only affects field of view. It was still a 50mm lens.
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That's the 'crop factor'..... it only affects field of view. It was still a 50mm lens.
Blade Canyon
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I'm sorry if you still don't understand my point. Yes, a 50 is always a 50, but the pic is still not the same on DX as FX. That's what I was talking about. FX is like film was. Maybe you are too young to have shot a thousand rolls of 35mm film, but if you had done it, then you know a 50mm lens produced a "normal" field of view, but on DX bodies that same lens was more of a zoom.
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
Depending on how and what you shoot, a dirty sensor can exist as a dirty sensor for a chunk of time without really impacting your images. If you're shooting at wide apertures and subjects that do not contain a lot of large, monochromatic spaces, the dust and oil that was there wasn't really very visible. Until I got over f8 and started boosting structure/clarity I almost never saw evidence of spots that I knew were there. And when they were visible they were often very easily correctable in Lightroom and/or Photoshop. A pain when you needed to (I got in the habit of always looking for them first by kicking in a present that boosted blacks and clarity in Lightroom, finding the problematic areas, resetting from the preset, and then spot healing anything that was actually visible.
Absolutely love my D600, even after 2 trips to Nikon.
Absolutely love my D600, even after 2 trips to Nikon.
BackdoorArts
Senior Member
It has no more "zoom" on a DX than it does on an FX. A 50mm is a 50mm regardless of crop factor. The only difference is the field of view projected by the lens that is captured by the sensor.
"Zoom", or the changing of focal length, alters everything from depth of field to the perceived spatial orientation of the objects in the photo (zoom in and objects appear closer together, zoom out they separate).
Yes, the same fixed length lens used on an FX and DX will produce photos that appear different, but the DX photo will be contained completely within the FX photo, all other things being equal, exactly as it appears straight from the DX body.
What you are talking about is effective focal length, which can be calculated by multiplying the lens focal length by 1.5 when using it on a DX. So, yes, a 50mm on a DX will have an effective focal length of 75mm (i.e. the view left to right and top to bottom will be equivalent - not identical!!), but it will have none of the optical characteristics of a 75mm when used on an FX body. It still looks like a 50mm only cropped.
This is not a difficult concept, but people just can't seem to wrap their heads around it.
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Blade Canyon
Senior Member
Please don't try to patronize me. You fail miserably at it. I spent 12 years of my life shooting professionaly.
If I had a dollar for every roll of film I shot from the 60s to the 90s I could afford to buy one of every Nikon camera ever made. .... film AND digital.
And putting a 50 on a DX body doesn't make it a zoom either. Its still is a 50mm. It just has a narrower FOV.... the same as a 75mm on an FX.
Blade Canyon
Senior Member
All three of us have said exactly the same thing... it's a different field of view. I don't even know what the dispute is here.
Well, I haven't called a 50mm a zoom lens. I'm just attempting to disseminate correct information by using proper terminology.
Implying a 50mm isn't 50mm on a DX format camera merely confounds and confuses noobs all the more. I can't recall how many times I've corrected the incorrect statement of "50mm on a crop sensor makes it a 75mm lens."
I'm not saying you're wrong... just using partial truths and parroting poor examples.
50mm is 50mm. A sensor cannot change the optics of a lens. The way some are describing it.. if I take a shot in FX with a 50mm lens and crop it 1.5... then I didn't use a 50mm lens. Yet its a 50mm lens that took the picture. Only diference between a 50mm FX lens on a DX sensor is the outer edges of data lost from the crop of the sensor.
Anyway... since I am the OP... the argument about this should stop here and just return to the original topic which was the positives of the D600. Thank you.
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BackdoorArts
Senior Member
We're not. We're really, really not. The dispute comes when you start equating one lens on one camera to another lens on another because of sensor size - or at least equating any aspect of the one to the other. It's the partial truths that happen when you do that which cause the dispute.
A 50mm is a 50mm. A 75mm is a 75mm (if there is such a thing). A 50mm on a DX camera is not like a 75mm on an FX camera. It doesn't look the same, it doesn't feel the same. At best it shows the same stuff - but just a little differently. And that is what I'm getting at, because nothing truly equates and we need to get over it. The only reasonable term I've ever heard used was "equivalent focal length" because it suggests this similar (i.e. "equivalent") field of view while equating nothing. To equate anything invites the question, "Why doesn't one look exactly like the other?", to which the answer can only be, "It doesn't and never will. But it's mostly like it."
Truly we need to stop trying to find a way to equate the two formats in every possible way, because they are meant to be different and used "as is". A 35mm will never equate to a medium or large format cameras, though you can start playing with lenses to capture the same subject matter, and that's all you could ever possibly do here - try to get them to look the same. But it can't be done. Unless you're both shooting a solid color, detailess wall.
singlerosa_RIP
Senior Member
Like many others, I am totally happy with my D600. It joined my D7000, so the learning curve was almost flat. In addition to what the others have mentioned, I like that I can turn Auto ISO off and on by pressing the ISO button and rotating the front dial. Nifty little feature.
Since I have mine set to ISO 100 most of the time... this little gem of a feature is really great. I hate dumpster diving into menus to turn on or off a commonly used feature.
I find it very convenient to have the front dial set to aperture and the back dial set to ISO so I don't have to push any buttons at all
You're out of control man!
Put a post-it over the viewfinder as a reminder. When you put the camera up to your eye and see nothing but yellow then you'll remember... oh, I need to check my ISO.
John Young
Senior Member
Bought my D600 to replace my D90 that died on me and I can honestly say I love it. The D90 was a good camera but the D600 is in a different league
I get superb photos from it and I am always amazed by its fast focusing in low light.. this was actually improved when it had a firmware update
Plus no dust/oil issues and my camera gets a lot of use (weddings)
I get superb photos from it and I am always amazed by its fast focusing in low light.. this was actually improved when it had a firmware update
Plus no dust/oil issues and my camera gets a lot of use (weddings)
StringThing
Senior Member
Go positive thread!
I bought a D600 for work and am also able to use it as my own (lucky me). I am just waiting for the price to drop more thanks to the D610 and I will get one to call my own. This camera amazed me from the start with image quality, fast focusing, huge viewfinder (up from my D3100), low light focusing and IQ, especially with a prime lens and the way it feels in my mitts.
I never had the oil issue but had to blow dust off the sensor twice, (about 5000 actuations). I'd highly recommend this model to anyone.
I bought a D600 for work and am also able to use it as my own (lucky me). I am just waiting for the price to drop more thanks to the D610 and I will get one to call my own. This camera amazed me from the start with image quality, fast focusing, huge viewfinder (up from my D3100), low light focusing and IQ, especially with a prime lens and the way it feels in my mitts.
I never had the oil issue but had to blow dust off the sensor twice, (about 5000 actuations). I'd highly recommend this model to anyone.
I am now considering the D610, and would probably trade in my D7000. I have posted questions before, but not in the last few months. I have been very patient - awaiting
resolution of oil/dust issues. With the 610, we are probably there. TO all of you who use the 600, are you happy with the 39 focal points, even though they are closely
clustered? I would rather ask experienced users of the 600, rather than those perhaps trolling elsewhere. Are you happy with the autofocus system?
resolution of oil/dust issues. With the 610, we are probably there. TO all of you who use the 600, are you happy with the 39 focal points, even though they are closely
clustered? I would rather ask experienced users of the 600, rather than those perhaps trolling elsewhere. Are you happy with the autofocus system?