Right but that's not for clasped hands, that's usually a single hand pointing downward indicating a sudden death.
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Right but that's not for clasped hands, that's usually a single hand pointing downward indicating a sudden death.
Just-Clayton
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here is another site I found on symbols. Symbolism in Gravestone Art
Just-Clayton
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Leave it alone people. Your shoe is untied is the answer. All kidding aside I too like to find answers to mysteries. I helped a man that found a button metal detecting and I found the clue to where it was from. I read up on local history and folklore quite a bit.
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No clasped hands or a man and woman. Thanks for helping this mystery.
I am also on FindAGrave.com looking for assistance. One person over there found this symbol. Same kind of stone and the symbol looks very similar except the lower right. It also doesn't explain the B L on the sides. However, another person brought up a group out of Detroit from the 1930's called the Black Legion. However, I did not find any logo for them.
http://www.findagraveforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28111&filename=IMG_8305.jpg
http://www.findagraveforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=28111&filename=IMG_8305.jpg
Don Kuykendall_RIP
RIP :(
i will be in cemeteries next week looking for hands. Might make a interesting collection of photos and stories.
The answer has been found!
It is the Brotherhood of Locomotive Firemen and Engineers. We went back out to the grave and retrieved the name. Examining the backside of the cylinder you can see the old adhesive telling as we suspected the stone had been rotated and placed incorrectly in the cradle. I am not sure what the B and L stand for and maybe it was just some personalizing by the family but the ID of the insignia is correct.
Here is what I found on the person and this was fun reading everyone's inputs.
OBITUARY FOR JAMES TAYLOR MCARTHUR
Ogden Standard-Examiner, Wednesday, November 28, 1917
TAYLOR M’ARTHUR WELL KNOWN HERE KILLED BY TRAIN
In a train accident that occurred yesterday morning at 4:15 o’clock at the Utah Copper Mine at Bingham, Taylor McArthur, a locomotive fireman and until recently a resident of Ogden, was instantly killed.
The engine on which he was firing was attached to a string of empty ore cars and was standing near the south end of level G.
McArthur was under the engine adjusting a brake shoe when another train of loaded cars came down the H-G switchback and collided with the string of empties, forcing the engine forward, one of the wheels passing entirely over his body and mangling it in a frightful condition. Death was almost instantaneous.
McArthur is survived by his wife who was at Evanston, Wyo., where they moved from Ogden some few weeks ago, at the time of the accident.
Besides his wife he is survived by his mother, Mrs. Jennie Furgeson, who is now in Los Angeles, and the following sisters: Mrs. Jennie Shipp of Salt Lake, Mrs. Edison Putman of Omaha, and Mrs. R. E. Moore of Ogden. Mrs. Moore received a telegram from the wife at Evanston yesterday morning. She lives at 465 Twenty-ninth Street.
The deceased was born in Ogden September 20th, 1891, and was only 26 years old at the time of his death. He had been at Bingham but about two weeks, having been transferred there from Evanston.
Mrs. McArthur will arrive in Ogden this morning on the 7:00 o’clock train. The body was brought here yesterday following the accident, and will be buried here.
The family has suffered two deaths from accident by members engaged in railroad work, his brother, William James McArthur, a railroad engineer, having been killed in a similar manner at Green River, Wyo., just two years, one month and a day before the fatal accident took the life of Taylor McArthur.
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Just-Clayton
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Brotherhood of Locomotive= B of L maybe.
You are correct. I found out from a grave site forum (there is a forum for everything) where one of the people had seen the logo on things his grandfather had from working the railroad. The logo sides have B, L, F&E In this case the F&E (Fireman & Engineers) are hidden on the bottom from when the stone was improperly place back in its cradle.
Latest graveyard mystery logo. The saying is quickly traced back to unions. However, the logo I have not been able to place. Of course it could be something generic that the family members had the saying put on.
Familiar to anyone?
Ellis J. Rees May 1, 1915 - June 29, 1972
Familiar to anyone?
Ellis J. Rees May 1, 1915 - June 29, 1972
Just-Clayton
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From what I have read on the net. This is a quote that all tradesman live by. "apprenticeship is the nucleus of craftsmanship" Pretty much means you start as a apprentice for all trades in the union and work your way to craftsman. Apprenticeship is the center!