Canon killers

[Marcel]

This thread makes me laugh. It reminds me of drinking buddies trying to make decisions for pro sports team. It's just a total waste of time.

Both Nikon and Canon OWN their business and it's not to us to decide what's best for THEIR mutual companies.

Ah, some will say, "But we can wish". Yes, you can wish all you want while some brilliant photographers are out there, using the camera they can use, producing outstanding images.

Like sports, you can play it or you can talk about it around a drink. To me, this Nikon-Canon digital planning where we have absolutely no decision making powers is just empty words and loss of time.

Of course newer cameras will be out there in the fall or next year, but in the meantime I have nothing to gain by trying to decide if I will buy a camera that still to this day does not exist.

 

[Vincent]

Where I can see that Nikon wants to have the most choice in FF and be the premium FF brand, be on the modern WiFi/ swivel screen, selfie features, etc ... It still seems to me that Canon 1200D + 18-55 at 389€ for beginners vs D3300 + 18-55 for 458€ sounds like a large (almost 20%) difference. People do not want a D3200 that is an old model (I do, but that is me).

...So it's not so much fighting for your brand or not, it's just knowing what's best on the market for it's intended purpose.

You seem to have missed the point, if Nikon disappears, your choice will be limited to Canon, Apple, ... it is important that they fight and get it right. Us buying is all which will save them (not us fighting).

This thread makes me laugh. It reminds me of drinking buddies trying to make decisions for pro sports team.

Honestly you can say that about any thread. Actually about human life (look up nihilism).
I did not see one in the thread, except Marcel who seemed to think this threat was meant to influence Nikon.

 

[AC016]

Glenn, I thought that the purpose of the thread was that you tried to see what would be needed for Nikon to win commercially.
I based myself on Nikonrumors as you might have noticed for the names, nothing but rumors. specifications are completely made up.
However it seems logical that there are these 2 models: D300s replacement and competitor for 1200D (since low market is selling well an you will need to make margin there). (All the rest has been done? except the D7200, but I find that early for Nikon)

I actually wanted to review my D9300 prediction:
The sony A7s technology would be to early for Nikon it seems to me, so let me take the D810 technology and slimming it down to APS-C, it would give a 14 MegaPixel sensor, DXO Mark 14.8 Evs Dynamic Range and 2853 ISO; that would suddenly change the APS-C market.
I checked the pixel pitch for this, but if you have the same pixels on a smaller surface the sensor sensitivity should not fundamentally change.



I guess you have an Ericsson phone, a Nokia phone or a Motorola? If you do not defend your position aggressively in the current economy you get taken over by Sony, Microsoft or Google. Some want Nikon to decide how to create the next innovations in photography not Canon, not Sony, Microsoft or Google. Did you see on Flickr that the most used camera is the i-phone, followed by Canon/Niikon and then Samsung Galaxy.
There are real marketing issues in the war against smart phones, but even in the ILC market (DSLR or MILC), Canon remains the competitor to beat.

Vincent, I will prop up any camera company if i can do it in an honest and fact-based manner. Though, that is where it would stop. We all have limited amounts of disposable income and neither one of us could save Nikon if it were about to shut it's doors. It's up to Nikon to save their own behinds. So again, as a consumer, why care about "killing" Canon?? This is what i meant in my post. We can all agree that it is up to Nikon to pulls it socks up and gain back some of the ground it has lost.

 

[Nero]

Then Samsungs and Sonys are you Androids - fancy shmancy until it comes to delivering something real/battery life/startup lag. And Pentax is like Moto - solid in the past, and left in the past.

You clearly know nothing about Android. Like, at all. Android hasn't had lag issues for like 3 years now. Sure they can take a minute to boot up but when you consider how much more is running behind the scenes compared to iOS it's inevitable. Plus battery life can easily last a full day even with heavy usage on most models. Might not seem like much compared to iOS but again, there's a lot more going on in the background.

So when it comes to being "fancy schmancy until it comes to delivering something real" keep in mind that everything Apple has added to iOS for the past few years has been ripped off from Android.

TL;DR Your post is invalid.

 

[Horoscope Fish]

You seem to have missed the point, if Nikon disappears, your choice will be limited to Canon, Apple, ... it is important that they fight and get it right. Us buying is all which will save them (not us fighting).

If Nikon disappeared tomorrow I'd shoot with a Canon. If Canon packed up I'd probably wind up shooting with something from Sony. It really matters not because the camera is just the tool I use, and in all honesty I don't really care who makes it.

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[SkvLTD]

You clearly know nothing about Android. Like, at all. Android hasn't had lag issues for like 3 years now. Sure they can take a minute to boot up but when you consider how much more is running behind the scenes compared to iOS it's inevitable. Plus battery life can easily last a full day even with heavy usage on most models. Might not seem like much compared to iOS but again, there's a lot more going on in the background.

So when it comes to being "fancy schmancy until it comes to delivering something real" keep in mind that everything Apple has added to iOS for the past few years has been ripped off from Android.

TL;DR Your post is invalid.

In a DSLR, there needs be nothing behind the scenes aside from the cream of the crop CPU/GPU, is my point. Sony SLTs have all these extra gimmicks and take forever to boot up as you're missing that quick shot. Clearly you had no idea what I was referencing quite accurately.

 

[SkvLTD]

If Nikon disappeared tomorrow I'd shoot with a Canon. If Canon packed up I'd probably wind up shooting with something from Sony. It really matters not because the camera is just the tool I use, and in all honesty I don't really care who makes it.

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And as usual, agree with ya Fish. If the best is there, I will use it. If it goes away, well, then 2nd best it is to still get the job done.

 

[Marcel]

Never forget the goal, I thing I'll write this again, Never forget the goal.

The goal is the picture, image, whatever you want to call it. I've used a lot of cameras, a lot of different films (in the good old days), a lot of different lenses, and, all and all, all cameras that I've used could have produced excellent photographs. The only drawback was me, the guy using the camera. Wether I was not careful enough to frame the picture to perfection, or did I forget that film wasn't able to get details in the highlights and the shadows at the same time, or I did take a picture of an uninteresting subject, the result was the same. An image made by a human being using a tool that the camera was.

Just remember the goal and that the final viewer of your images doesn't see which tool you used to create it.

Happy shooting.

 

[Vincent]

...I actually wanted to review my D9300 prediction:
The sony A7s technology would be to early for Nikon it seems to me, so let me take the D810 technology and slimming it down to APS-C, it would give a 14 MegaPixel sensor, DXO Mark 14.8 Evs Dynamic Range and 2853 ISO; that would suddenly change the APS-C market.

This thread actually made me understand the Nikon strategy better. It probably makes more sense to create a cheaper more sport oriented version based on the D810 sensor and state you can use it as fast APS-C in the 1,5X crop mode with sRAW files, then to complicate the technology elements by adding another APS-C sensor. The Df with the crop gives a 7 Mpix with very high ISO, that is a possible candidate as well a possible Ds (I made that up), a niche camera, cheaper then the flexible work horse D4s)

 

[Vincent]

I guess for the moment this would turn into will the D750 have better performance then the 7D Mark II?