Another external hard drive recommendation

Clovishound

Clovishound

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I thought I lost my hard that has all my photos on it when I went down to Florida this week. Discovered where it was hiding when I got back. Got me to thinking. I periodically back up all my edited photos on a thumb drive. All my files directly from the camera go on a 2TB HDD as the SSD in my computer is too small for that. I would like to have two external HDs, one that is constantly hooked up to the computer, and one for easy backup of all image files, including NEFs and all the images I didn't think were good enough to mess with. I do need to start discarding obviously unsuitable files, but that's another issue.

Since I am reading the files from the external when loading them into Topaz, LR, or PS, I am thinking about getting an SSD. First question is will the USB connection negate the faster read speed of an SSD? The second question is whether the extra speed is worth spending twice as much? The third is that I've heard that SSDs don't have a long shelf life, and is that true?

After that I'm looking at brands. I've always gotten WD and Seagate, but I know that brands change pretty quickly in the tech arena.

I'm torn between a 2TB SSD and a 4TB HDD. I currently have my 2TB half full after two years of shooting, and could probably cut that in half or better getting rid of the junk images.
 
BF Hammer

BF Hammer

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SSD and HDD each have their unique features.

With SSD, there is no mechanical parts. Files read and write to memory instantly without waiting for parts to move. Also because of this it is far better in a portable role since mechanical shock is less of thing. The main weakness of SSD is that there is a finite amount of times a memory cell can be written to before that cell will not change state again. The control logic of the SSD will lock-out memory cells that are used-up and it will continue to work, with less capacity. I have SSD's in use with PCs that are over 4 years old now and are not locking out cells yet.

HDD we know and are used to, but frankly they fail and are not any better in that regard than SSD. The more they move their parts, the quicker they fail. And 2.5 inch laptop HDD being more robust against shock is pure myth. I have dissected many 3.5 inch and 2.5 inch drives and the truth is that all the parts of a 2.5 inch drive are smaller and more delicate.

And the other truth here is USB v1 and v2 is slower than a typical HDD write speed, way slower than SSD speeds. USB v3 will keep up.
 
Fred Kingston_RIP

Fred Kingston_RIP

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As we speak, I'm in the process of integrating a new Seagate 8T drive... As to your question regarding SSD speed. Yes, they're fast. Very fast, when directly connected to a very fast USB port... those speeds drop off considerably when daisy-chained out thru a hub,,, I chose a Seagate Ironwolf drive because they're used in data centers and have a better construction that typical consumer drives... They're designed to run continuously for long periods of time... A hard drive enclosure in <$30 and you can find them with any flavor of USB that you want. The next step up from there is a NAS with multiple drives that's accessible across the network and allows you to swap drives in an out and run different flavors of RAID.
 
Clovishound

Clovishound

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Fred, I heard someone, probably on Youtube, talking about Crucial brand drives. Are they worth considering? They aren't one of the traditional drive manufacturers I'm familiar with, but these days brands change fast, and I haven't really been in the loop on this for a long time. I can get a Crucial brand 2 TB SSD, for about the same price as a WD 4TB HDD.
 
Fred Kingston_RIP

Fred Kingston_RIP

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Clovishound said:
Fred, I heard someone, probably on Youtube, talking about Crucial brand drives. Are they worth considering? They aren't one of the traditional drive manufacturers I'm familiar with, but these days brands change fast, and I haven't really been in the loop on this for a long time. I can get a Crucial brand 2 TB SSD, for about the same price as a WD 4TB HDD.
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I've used them for a few years now... I've replaced about a dozen different Mac and Mac Laptop drives with Crucial SSDs... They're pretty good about having videos that show step-by-step process in replacing drives with their SSDs
 
Clovishound

Clovishound

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Thanks, I was a little concerned that they were somewhat cheaper than the old name brands, but that doesn't always mean lower quality.

I may be sorry for not getting a larger drive, but right now I could get two of the Crucial drives for less then a single 4TB. And one of those is more than I really want to spend right now, anyway. In a couple years when I will likely need more drive space, they should be cheaper per TB. Plus, there is something to be said for all your eggs in one hard drive.
 
BF Hammer

BF Hammer

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Clovis, just checking on your homework: You do know that the faster and less expensive SSD drives come in the compact M.42 form-factor and interface? They are just a small board with memory chips, similar to RAM. The SATA type that come in 2.5 inch size package are just to work on older computers that don't take M.42. Don't be surprised by a USB SSD that would look like a slightly larger thumb drive.
 
Clovishound

Clovishound

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Thanks for the heads up, but these days a smaller than expected digital storage device is not a huge surprise or concern. When you can put 256 GB on a micro SD card, less than half the size of my thumbnail, extremely small storage devices should not be reason for consternation.
 
Clovishound

Clovishound

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Well, I ended up dithering about what to get and then got distracted by a new camera. All to my undoing. Yesterday after a very unexciting photo outing, I was downloading images using the new CFexpress card reader I have. To increase speed, I unplugged my keyboard/mouse dongle, and plugged in my reader. While clumsily using the mouse pad (I avoid them like the plague), I managed to delete all the images on my hard drive with just one click. I thought I could easily recover them using restore from the recycle bin, but it was only a small number, and that undoubtedly removed the possibility of undeleting them using utility software. I should know better.

Fortunately, I had been, mostly, keeping up with backing up my edited images to thumb drives. I got back all the important files except for most of the Swan Lake outing. I can live with losing the NEF files, reluctantly.

Anyway, I closed the door after the horse got out, and bought an SSD drive. It's only 2TB, but I can use that until it's full, by then the drives should be cheaper and larger capacity. I will be needing more capacity with the new camera, but I can afford to be more ruthless deleting unsuitable images out of hand, something I haven't been doing much of out of laziness.
 
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DDB

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I'm a little late to the party, but there are a couple things to remember about SSD's. The first is that power off data retention is usually not as good for SSD's as it is for a magnetic hard drive. This is mainly a concern if you plan on leaving the drive sitting unused for extended periods. The second is probably less important here, but because of the wear leveling done in SSD's it is virtually impossible to securely delete data from an SSD so the only way to securely erase one is to physically destroy the memory chips in the drive.

-Don-
 
Clovishound

Clovishound

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Good info, DDB. Fortunately, neither one of those things are a concern for my application. I plan on leaving my SSD drive constantly attached to my computer. I am currently backing up all the important info on it periodically, and can delete large amounts of data from the SSD as needed. I have no info on it that requires secure destruction. When my 2TB backup mechanical drive gets full, I will purchase another drive for backup. By then it will probably be cheaper per TB, and perhaps faster transfer as well. The new 45 MP camera I have will hasten that need for more storage, however.
 
nikonpup

nikonpup

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HOUND, welcome to the slippery slope of photography. Every time
you turn around there is something new to buy. Get at least 8 tbs
of storage, the device fills up fast.
 
LuckyJim

LuckyJim

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Clovishound said:
I thought I lost my hard that has all my photos on it when I went down to Florida this week. Discovered where it was hiding when I got back. Got me to thinking. I periodically back up all my edited photos on a thumb drive. All my files directly from the camera go on a 2TB HDD as the SSD in my computer is too small for that. I would like to have two external HDs, one that is constantly hooked up to the computer, and one for easy backup of all image files, including NEFs and all the images I didn't think were good enough to mess with. I do need to start discarding obviously unsuitable files, but that's another issue.

Since I am reading the files from the external when loading them into Topaz, LR, or PS, I am thinking about getting an SSD. First question is will the USB connection negate the faster read speed of an SSD? The second question is whether the extra speed is worth spending twice as much? The third is that I've heard that SSDs don't have a long shelf life, and is that true?

After that I'm looking at brands. I've always gotten WD and Seagate, but I know that brands change pretty quickly in the tech arena.

I'm torn between a 2TB SSD and a 4TB HDD. I currently have my 2TB half full after two years of shooting, and could probably cut that in half or better getting rid of the junk images.
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I'm no expert, but, the larger the SSD the more you lose if it goes pear shape, just saying.
 
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