Which one are you eyeing?
10 Reasons Why I Left Nikon For Sony Great Video
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Which one are you eyeing?
I really like the em10 and they are coming out with a bunch of new high end 2.8 lenses
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Olympus is putting together a nice trinity of 2.8 glass, check these out
Mirrorless System Lenses | B&H Photo Video
Mirrorless System Lenses | B&H Photo Video
sonicbuffalo_RIP
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Sony also has some new glass due out in November.....they're slowly but surely getting there. You might have to settle for 4.0 zooms but that's also a bonus as the lens isn't a monster in size. Olympus makes a great camera though! Good luck with your decision.
I found this video today.
Even if it only is his experience and he misses some of the things you can do with other cameras, he does show good pictures and shows that you can use mirrorless as a pro.
If you like the small body, are lower on budget, do not need some of the Nikon advantages, Sony certainly can offer something.
Check the 55mm f1,8 on the A7R on DXO Mark and then the D810 + 55 Otus, same score. Then check the price. Clearly they are not equivalent systems, but for some photography you do get the same quality in the result.
I had the impression this was advised by a communication specialist, forced spontaneous.
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On other 2,8 trinities, I`m looking at Samsung with the 16-50 f2-2,8 and 50-150 f2,8 they are aiming at pro use, gambling on APS-C though (did not convince me).
Even if it only is his experience and he misses some of the things you can do with other cameras, he does show good pictures and shows that you can use mirrorless as a pro.
If you like the small body, are lower on budget, do not need some of the Nikon advantages, Sony certainly can offer something.
Check the 55mm f1,8 on the A7R on DXO Mark and then the D810 + 55 Otus, same score. Then check the price. Clearly they are not equivalent systems, but for some photography you do get the same quality in the result.
I had the impression this was advised by a communication specialist, forced spontaneous.
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On other 2,8 trinities, I`m looking at Samsung with the 16-50 f2-2,8 and 50-150 f2,8 they are aiming at pro use, gambling on APS-C though (did not convince me).
AC016
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Fuji came out with a nice trinity when they launched the X-Pro1: 18mm f/2.0, 35mm f/1.4 and a 60mm f/2.4. Need to get the 18 to complete mine
sonicbuffalo_RIP
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Personally I like a trinity of zooms. I know that primes have sharper pictures for the most part, but you spend a lot more money piecing together primes. I guess I'm a cheap photog.
AC016
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Yeah, the primes are not cheap. Fuji brought out the primes first, then the zooms. There is more options today in regards to zooms, but they are not cheap either. the 18-55 is $699 USD. However, they are worth every penny.
sonicbuffalo_RIP
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You're right.....Sony gouges the hell out of you with their primes and zooms. I guess it's a 1 time buy for me. I have a 16-35 f/4.0 on order right now. It's supposed to be released by the end of the month. How much? Try $1350.00. Ouch!
If I was going mirrorless, which I'm not at this point, I'd get the Sony A7 with the Sony-Zeiss 55/1.8. I want a big canvas and the FX format fits that requirement. Anything smaller would be going backwards in my opinion (if you're shooting FX now).
My D800 is a phenominal platform and it's a lot more capable than I am, so until it can no longer amaze me, I'll stick with it. As for weight and size, that's the entire reason I bought the D3300 as a second camera. With good lenses, I don't see any 4/3's system that will be better. Again, the D3300 is more capable than I am. For a pocket camera, I have my Lumix LX7 and it is surprisingly capable. (A BR style sling negates the weight of my D800 with a large lens like the 80-400)
I hail those of you that have gone to 4/3's and the non-Nikon systems. You are possibly our pioneer trail blazers. Right now, I'm going to wait. How long? Maybe forever.
My D800 is a phenominal platform and it's a lot more capable than I am, so until it can no longer amaze me, I'll stick with it. As for weight and size, that's the entire reason I bought the D3300 as a second camera. With good lenses, I don't see any 4/3's system that will be better. Again, the D3300 is more capable than I am. For a pocket camera, I have my Lumix LX7 and it is surprisingly capable. (A BR style sling negates the weight of my D800 with a large lens like the 80-400)
I hail those of you that have gone to 4/3's and the non-Nikon systems. You are possibly our pioneer trail blazers. Right now, I'm going to wait. How long? Maybe forever.
sonicbuffalo_RIP
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Thanks Ted....I'm feeling better knowing someone else sees the benefilts of Sony's FF cameras. That's why I chose Sony. Nikon takes great pictures, but as I have said, my wife and I are planning on an overseas trip next year and I didn't want to be lugging heavy trinity zooms across the sea. But Nikon takes great pictures. Maybe I'll delve back into it in the future, but I think Sony is adequate. Amazingly sharp with the right lenses. Of course, I only have one that I'd fit into that category. The 28-70 kit lens isn't that great, but does ok in a pinch.
AC016
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If you want a "large canvas", get an 8 x 10 camera. We all know that the difference between FX and DX is negligible. I can get the same FOV with my 35mm that you get with you 50mm on your FX. Sure, there may be some very slight differences in the scene. But, for arguments sake, it's the same when you're considering the scene/frame. It's nice that you are happy with FX, but it's not the epitome of photography. Looking at your photos, i would have no idea that you shot them with an FX camera. Since they are on the web, you could have shot them with a DX camera for all i know. It really makes no difference when all you are doing is posting them on the web. When you say "better", you are talking speeds and feeds. Who cares about speeds and feeds. Content is king. What you as the photographer produce is what matters. D810? D4S? Who cares! You don't need those cameras to take photos of buildings, flowers, cats, etc. If you are at the summer Olympics trying to get photos of Mr. Bolt leaving the blocks, then okay, a D4S it is. Right tool for the job. You don't need a Ferrari to go to the corner store. In regards to MFT, i think Rick_M is proving that it is all about photographic knowledge and skill rather then having a huge MP beast. Take a look at the Pentax 645D.... now THAT is "full frame". There is always something bigger and FX ain't it.
I get a kick out of people who know so much that they want to tell you and everyone else what you should buy and how to spend your money. Or those that make ignorant assumptions based on their limited insight. I consider the source. Even if your camera does have "pro" in its name.
An 8X10 camera? Well, that's a good comparison. Why didn't you just reference the Hubble? For Nikon, FX is the largest format. This is a Nikon forum and I use Nikon equipment. And, I don't want to "look at a 645D", if you want one then buy one. If you think your Fuji is the best thing since ice cream, well good for you as I couldn't care less; you made your choice, now live with it. If, and when, I change brands, it will be my decision, not yours. And, If you don't like my photographs, don't view them. I don't look at yours.
AC016
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I'm hurt with that down vote
This is what caught my attention in your post: "I want a big canvas and the FX format fits that requirement. Anything smaller would be going backwards in my opinion (if you're shooting FX now)." As you stated your opinion, i stated mine. Nowhere in my post did i tell you what to buy or how to spend your money. Yes, the name of my camera includes "pro", but that was Fuji's decision to put it there, not mine. Even i find it pretentious, but i did not buy the camera because it says "pro" on it.Yes, it's a Nikon forum, but you are posting in the NON-NIKON CAMERA section of the forum. And please tell me where i said that my Fuji was "the best thing since ice cream"?? I have never said that and will never say that my camera is the "best". It's the "best" for me, but that is as far as i would go.
I also have no regrets going to Fuji, so i am not sure how your statement, "...you made your choice, now live with it" applies. I have been happily living with it for over a year now.
I brought up the 8 x 10 camera since you brought up the subject of size. In the end, it comes down to using the right tool for the right job. You don't always need an FX camera to take photos; therefore, it has nothing to do with "going backwards", but everything to do with using the right camera.
Lastly, stop being so assumptive. I never said that i didn't "like" your photos. I used examples of subjects that i see most of on the web.
I think what happens is we all tend to like what we own and we want others to feel the same way. Kinda like when a newbie asks for advice, most respond with what they have (not always the best solution). I'm going through a cycle (an expensive one!). I got back into photography with a D3100, wanted more res and autobracketing, D5100, wanted thin DoF, D600, dust bunnies brought me to the D6100. Went for a long hike and decided what the heck am I doing with all this big Fx stuff . I then looked into m4/3 and the size, IQ won me over. I won't be getting the same razor thin DoF, but I have learned how to get it when I want it,
What it does give me is more shutter speed and more DoF when I want it (I'm surprised this isn't discussed more). I can shoot at f4 and have the DoF of f8, great for bracketing landscapes. There is a flip side to everything. Shot some indoor events at f2.8 for speed and had the DoF of f5.6 to keep the group in focus.
. I then looked into m4/3 and the size, IQ won me over. I won't be getting the same razor thin DoF, but I have learned how to get it when I want it, What it does give me is more shutter speed and more DoF when I want it (I'm surprised this isn't discussed more). I can shoot at f4 and have the DoF of f8, great for bracketing landscapes. There is a flip side to everything. Shot some indoor events at f2.8 for speed and had the DoF of f5.6 to keep the group in focus.
Fuji came out with a nice trinity when they launched the X-Pro1: 18mm f/2.0, 35mm f/1.4 and a 60mm f/2.4. Need to get the 18 to complete mine
Nice to see some third parties are also making lenses for mirrorless now, The SLR magic 0.95 for fuji looks interesting!
Voigtlander is making some f0.95 primes for m4/3 which I may have to try, surprised they aren't making them for fuji or sony yet, I'd think they are a bigger market than Oly. Gonna get my zoom trinity first though.
john*thomas
Senior Member
When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away
If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
Everything looks worse in black and white
In the end, Canon or Sony or whatever can't top that.
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away
If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
Everything looks worse in black and white
In the end, Canon or Sony or whatever can't top that.
Browncoat
Senior Member
Interesting vid. He hit on a lot of concerns/points I had also when deciding to make the switch to Fuji.
I wanted to like the Nikon mirrorless system, I really did. I wanted to remain brand loyal. But at the end of the day, the other products that are out there are so much more superior, it makes it kind of a no-brainer. Then once you step outside of the Nikon family and start taking a look at what other manufacturers are doing and the innovations they're making, it kind of makes you question why you held onto that loyalty at all.
I wanted to like the Nikon mirrorless system, I really did. I wanted to remain brand loyal. But at the end of the day, the other products that are out there are so much more superior, it makes it kind of a no-brainer. Then once you step outside of the Nikon family and start taking a look at what other manufacturers are doing and the innovations they're making, it kind of makes you question why you held onto that loyalty at all.
sonicbuffalo_RIP
Senior Member
Because we've been told repeatedly here and elsewhere that ..."it's what's between your ears that makes a great photograph...", so everyone assumes that you can perform miracles with low grade equipment. Wrong!