Something to outrage Americans / Canadians

[TedG954]

I think old white men in charge of everything results in poor decision making but then I am talking politics and that is a no no...

I think it is time to wind down this one.

I am an old white man, and I think my decision making process is quite good.


And.... "Meanwhile, I'll enjoy life until it ends, and if it ends at the end of a barrel, so be it. That's life. That's death. And I refuse to be a part of the problem." Really?

I think that was Chamberlain's attitude prior to the Nazis causing the deaths of millions upon millions. I believe it is a bad attitude.

 

[Thatguy Steve]

"Meanwhile, I'll enjoy life until it ends, and if it ends at the end of a barrel, so be it. That's life. That's death. And I refuse to be a part of the problem."

Again .......

These people do not understand basic human nature. That Man is inherently evil. And to believe otherwise is not only foolish but dangerous to themselves and their families ..... and others like myself.

If you believe otherwise ....... YOU ARE part of the problem.

Enough said.

 

[AC016]

This does not outrage me at all. To many things going on around me these days that are far more outrageous.
When it comes to Canada and the UK, i can say that i always hear people saying that they don't want to become like the USA when it comes to guns. My uncle was once a combat pistol and shotgun shooter in the UK - also hunted rabbits and pheasant with his .22 and .20 gauge. He had to give up his pistols (a 9mm CZ and a .357 S&W) because of certain laws - i believe it was because of the aftermath of the school shooting they had over there. In regards to his shotguns or any other long gun he has, i am not sure what he has done with those. Point is, at one time, he must have owned at least 5-6 firearms. Therefore, we can not deny that there is a certain "gun culture" in the UK.
In Canada, there are plenty of firearms, trust me! For a country with only 30 plus million people in it, there are plenty of guns to go around. We can not compare ourselves to the USA, for the USA has 300 plus million more people in it; therefore, there will be more guns. I will not comment on the gun issues in the USA because i do not live there and have no right to say anything. Though, i will comment on the fact that people out there tend to think that Canadians are unarmed and that there is no gun violence up here. You can't be further from the truth.
Just in my city of Montreal, we have plenty of gun play and gun violence. 14 women killed at Polytechnique by Marc Lepine with a Ruger Mini 14. 5 people shot, 4 of them killed, by a disgruntled professor at Concordia University. 1 person killed and many others injured by a young man who walked into Dawson College with a Beretta CX Storm. Those are the school shootings. The Mob hits that we have here in Montreal are countless. I have had three in my neighbourhood alone. One at the south end of Wilson street, one at the intersection of Sherbrooke and Cavendish and one at a McDonalds on St. Jacques where an innocent by stander was taken out as well. These are just three Mob shootings and two of them were high high-profile. There are dozens more that i could mention. Then i can go onto the Hells Angels... are you getting my point so far?
Us Canadians always joke about being unarmed, with healthcare Americans, but we are armed and we do have quite a bit of gun violence north of the border from you guys.
If you look in other provinces, you will see alot of gun play in Toronto, Vancouver and other big cities. Keep in mind that we are only a country of 30 plus million people. Just imagine if we had the same population as the USA.... just think about it.

 

[JPar]

"Meanwhile, I'll enjoy life until it ends, and if it ends at the end of a barrel, so be it. That's life. That's death. And I refuse to be a part of the problem."

Again .......

These people do not understand basic human nature. That Man is inherently evil. And to believe otherwise is not only foolish but dangerous to themselves and their families ..... and others like myself.

If you believe otherwise ....... YOU ARE part of the problem.

Enough said.

When was the last time man was killed by thought?

Now, when was man last killed by a gun?

Whose philosophy is more dangerous?

 

[JPar]

This does not outrage me at all. To many things going on around me these days that are far more outrageous.
When it comes to Canada and the UK, i can say that i always hear people saying that they don't want to become like the USA when it comes to guns. My uncle was once a combat pistol and shotgun shooter in the UK - also hunted rabbits and pheasant with his .22 and .20 gauge. He had to give up his pistols (a 9mm CZ and a .357 S&W) because of certain laws - i believe it was because of the aftermath of the school shooting they had over there. In regards to his shotguns or any other long gun he has, i am not sure what he has done with those. Point is, at one time, he must have owned at least 5-6 firearms. Therefore, we can not deny that there is a certain "gun culture" in the UK.
In Canada, there are plenty of firearms, trust me! For a country with only 30 plus million people in it, there are plenty of guns to go around. We can not compare ourselves to the USA, for the USA has 300 plus million more people in it; therefore, there will be more guns. I will not comment on the gun issues in the USA because i do not live there and have no right to say anything. Though, i will comment on the fact that people out there tend to think that Canadians are unarmed and that there is no gun violence up here. You can't be further from the truth.
Just in my city of Montreal, we have plenty of gun play and gun violence. 14 women killed at Polytechnique by Marc Lepine with a Ruger Mini 14. 5 people shot, 4 of them killed, by a disgruntled professor at Concordia University. 1 person killed and many others injured by a young man who walked into Dawson College with a Beretta CX Storm. Those are the school shootings. The Mob hits that we have here in Montreal are countless. I have had three in my neighbourhood alone. One at the south end of Wilson street, one at the intersection of Sherbrooke and Cavendish and one at a McDonalds on St. Jacques where an innocent by stander was taken out as well. These are just three Mob shootings and two of them were high high-profile. There are dozens more that i could mention. Then i can go onto the Hells Angels... are you getting my point so far?
Us Canadians always joke about being unarmed, with healthcare Americans, but we are armed and we do have quite a bit of gun violence north of the border from you guys.
If you look in other provinces, you will see alot of gun play in Toronto, Vancouver and other big cities. Keep in mind that we are only a country of 30 plus million people. Just imagine if we had the same population as the USA.... just think about it.

Montreal is very, very populated with mob. Italians, Russians, Latinos... I love the city, but would not want to live there.

I have no illusions, as an American, that Canadians love their guns as much as Americans love their guns.

 

[Thatguy Steve]

When was the last time man was killed by thought?

Now, when was man last killed by a gun?

Whose philosophy is more dangerous?


Not killed by a gun ......

Killed by a man .......

If a man throws you to the ground and steps on your thoat until you are dead ..... did his boot kill you ..... or did the man kill you ..... ?????

 

[JPar]

When was the last time man was killed by thought?

Now, when was man last killed by a gun?

Whose philosophy is more dangerous?


Not killed by a gun ......

Killed by a man .......

With a gun.

Man with thought. Man with gun. Again, which is the more immediate danger?

I can ignore a man's thoughts, but not his bullets. This is evidenced by me exiting this discussion because there's no debating an issue with someone who thinks gun control and women's rights are anywhere near in the same ball park.

 

[JPar]

I am an old white man, and I think my decision making process is quite good.


And.... "Meanwhile, I'll enjoy life until it ends, and if it ends at the end of a barrel, so be it. That's life. That's death. And I refuse to be a part of the problem." Really?

I think that was Chamberlain's attitude prior to the Nazis causing the deaths of millions upon millions. I believe it is a bad attitude.

Is that the token response for any argument about violence? The "Hitler defense"?

Again, not even in the same ball park.

 

[Thatguy Steve]

With a gun.

Man with thought. Man with gun. Again, which is the more immediate danger?

I can ignore a man's thoughts, but not his bullets. This is evidenced by me exiting this discussion because there's no debating an issue with someone who thinks gun control and women's rights are anywhere near in the same ball park.

A gun .... a boot .... a pillow ......

The man is the killer ...... not his weapon of choice ......

 

[Pierro]

There certainly is that feeling of " we dont wanna be like the US " with its gun laws, but we already are and have been for many years, but not from the honest citizen point of view. But the way i see it, and again i say i have no love of the gun, is that at least the honest joe public can level the game to a good degree. Whether you never have to whip out your conceal or carry is not the issue.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it ?

Yeah some ( many ) may never see a situation on their entire lives that warrants having a gun. Also i agree that it shouldnt be an easy thing to own one. Psych tests would be good, criminal history check, etc. for gun ownership.

The trouble is, like having a gun amnesty where only honest unlicenced gun owners ever hand them in ( its happened here ) is a bit of a mockery. The deranged gang owning, drug dealing pimps and all, simply dont give a hoot about the law. Gun amnesty ? I'd be surprised if they could even spell it.

So the illegal gun owning community over here is made up of all those that shouldnt have access to them.

The UK Gov. is so against the public owning guns for defence for many reasons, but one of them is that they reckon burglars would start to arm themselves when breaking into peoples homes.

So what ?

At least the game would be on an equal footing . Burglars here have pretty much a free reign, becuase they know the public aren't likely to be armed, but they still carry weapons ( an action that seems to pass the law makers by ) just in case they happen to surpise a house owner ! Now if that same burglar thought that he might get his melon blown off, he may think twice in the future, about whether this way of making a living is really worth it. They dont like the game being fought on a level footing

PS burglars here, even long term burglars, get rediculously low jail sentences

 

[JPar]

A gun .... a boot .... a pillow ......

The man is the killer ...... not his weapon of choice ......

I like my chances against a boot or a pillow, thanks.

 

[TedG954]

When was the last time man was killed by thought?

Now, when was man last killed by a gun?

Whose philosophy is more dangerous?

Hmmmmm..... I don't think Hitler ever actually killed anyone personally. I don't think the emperor of Japan ever actually killed anyone with his personal weapons. I don't think Osama Bin Laden even knew how to fly a plane.

Thought doesn't result in homicide? You need to re-think that opinion.

A gun, without the malice thought, doesn't harm anyone. A man with a malice thought, without a gun, will find another means.

 

[JPar]

Hmmmmm..... I don't think Hitler ever actually killed anyone personally. I don't think the emperor of Japan ever actually killed anyone with his personal weapons. I don't think Osama Bin Laden even knew how to fly a plane.

Thought doesn't result in homicide? You need to re-think that opinion.

A gun, without the malice thought, doesn't harm anyone. A man with a malice thought, without a gun, will find another means.

Thought does not *directly* result in homicide. And I am sure Hitler killed people personally. And just because Bin Laden didn't know how to fly a plane doesn't mean that he hadn't killed anyone.

Thought will only plant the seed. It's up to the individual to carry it out. Again, bringing madmen like Hitler or Bin Laden into this argument is pretty pointless. Did Hitler break into anyone's home? Did Bin Laden? Could Hitler or Bin Laden think and cause me to die? Did they possess telekinetic powers?

No. They herded the sheep and got them to kill for them. That's not thought - that's weak mindedness.

 

[TedG954]

Is that the token response for any argument about violence? The "Hitler defense"?

Again, not even in the same ball park.

Maybe so, but your "can't we all just get along" line of thinking is childish and not even close to realistic.

Besides that, the "Hitler defense" is based in fact, so labeling it as a "token" doesn't reinforce your argument in the least.

As long as people like you continue to consider it "not even in the same ball park", your freedoms will continue to be encroached. Before long you will be depending on the rest of us to protect you. You will always be the victim.

 

[TedG954]

Thought does not *directly* result in homicide. And I am sure Hitler killed people personally. And just because Bin Laden didn't know how to fly a plane doesn't mean that he hadn't killed anyone.

Thought will only plant the seed. It's up to the individual to carry it out. Again, bringing madmen like Hitler or Bin Laden into this argument is pretty pointless. Did Hitler break into anyone's home? Did Bin Laden? Could Hitler or Bin Laden think and cause me to die? Did they possess telekinetic powers?

No. They herded the sheep and got them to kill for them. That's not thought - that's weak mindedness.

You should be prepared to BAAAHHHHH.

 

[Thatguy Steve]

Thought will only plant the seed. It's up to the individual to carry it out.

You just made the point ........ and you never even mentioned the word gun in your post ....... isn't that interesting ..... hmmmmmm

 

[JPar]

Maybe so, but your "can't we all just get along" line of thinking is childish and not even close to realistic.

Besides that, the "Hitler defense" is based in fact, so labeling it as a "token" doesn't reinforce your argument in the least.

As long as people like you continue to consider it "not even in the same ball park", your freedoms will continue to be encroached. Before long you will be depending on the rest of us to protect you. You will always be the victim.

It's token because it has no merit in the discussion over whether guns are good or bad.

By everyone's flawed logic here, we could have just offed Hitler with a thought or a pillow, right? No need for guns, because man is evil! And Hitler was evil! Therefore, man is... Hitler?

You do see how ridiculous that thought train is, right?

I mean, seriously? You take one of the most deplorable, awful human beings in history, of which there is only Stalin to parallel him, and expect to use him in an argument to justify guns?

Strange how man has survived for so long by being so inherently evil and all, and how man can't seem to get along.

I'm not naive to the fact that there are crazy people out there. But this whole "man is evil therefore I must protect my domain" mentality is an 1800s way of thinking. This isn't the Wild West anymore, pardner.

 

[JPar]

You just made the point ........ and you never even mentioned the word gun in your post ....... isn't that interesting ..... hmmmmmm

Do you even read what you write?

 

[Thatguy Steve]

Only enough to understand .........

 

[JPar]

Only enough to understand .........

So in the midst of your pseudo-postulating I assume you missed the part where I said we shouldn't ban guns, right? Like, WAY before whatever *this* is started.

And I suppose you forgot my question of "when was the last time you ever had to use your conceal and carry weapon"... probably because you haven't. Which is cool, because I have some Chuck E Cheese tokens lying around somewhere. You know, in case I ever need to use them.