Something to outrage Americans / Canadians

Mr.Smith

Senior Member
These types of threads usually flare into controversy and arguments. It's refreshing to see this one stay civil.

It's also nice to not see the typical bravado usually displayed. All too often we see people with no clue what it is like to shoot another human being puffing out their chest and claiming that they would "give 'em a third eye". I always cringe at the thought of such a person owning a weapon. Gun ownership is a serious responsibility not to be taken lightly. Guns or any weapon that threatens another human's life or safety should always be a last resort.

I remember reading a story recently about a guy who stopped a stabbing from taking place. He was carrying a licensed concealed weapon but subdued the bad guy with just his hands. When the police asked him why he didn't draw his sidearm he said, "Heck, I just didn't see the need."

Thats why I like these forums so much, nobody hates, everything is discussed. There is even a little light humour.

If we were allowed to protect our homes here in the U.K. I would own a gun.

After all an Englishmans home is his castle..
 

Rick M

Senior Member
I have a home security system which is worth the $15 a Month, gives peace of mind while at Home and away. I think it's the best deterent from the "average" thug.
 

JPar

Senior Member
I have a home security system which is worth the $15 a Month, gives peace of mind while at Home and away. I think it's the best deterent from the "average" thug.

Same here.

We were broken into my first year in our new house. We think it was one of the movers or delivery men who scoped us out.

We got a security system and have felt better ever since.

A majority of home invaders don't enter your home when you are there. They wait until you are gone. So a gun does you no good there.

Additionally, the alarm system is a deterrent because most thieves don't want to get caught (go figure) and an alarm makes that prospect much, much harder. And if they *still* break in, they get to grab very little before it starts blaring and calling the cops.

The % of chance of being broken into is very, very low. That percentage is even lower when you have an alarm system (or even alarm stickers). And the percentage of someone breaking in to a house that is occupied is even lower. Usually that happens by mistake.

To me, getting the opportunity to decide whether I want to end someone's life and then living with that choice is not worth getting a gun. Ever. If someone steals my stuff, insurance will cover it. It's just stuff.
 

Billy Y.

Senior Member
Did you read the part where the burglar was 58 years old? LL Cool J = elderly abuse! :p

Does he not remember LL's book cover? I mean what did he expect?

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Eye-level

Banned
Same here.

We were broken into my first year in our new house. We think it was one of the movers or delivery men who scoped us out.

We got a security system and have felt better ever since.

A majority of home invaders don't enter your home when you are there. They wait until you are gone. So a gun does you no good there.

Additionally, the alarm system is a deterrent because most thieves don't want to get caught (go figure) and an alarm makes that prospect much, much harder. And if they *still* break in, they get to grab very little before it starts blaring and calling the cops.

The % of chance of being broken into is very, very low. That percentage is even lower when you have an alarm system (or even alarm stickers). And the percentage of someone breaking in to a house that is occupied is even lower. Usually that happens by mistake.

To me, getting the opportunity to decide whether I want to end someone's life and then living with that choice is not worth getting a gun. Ever. If someone steals my stuff, insurance will cover it. It's just stuff.

That is all good and well sir. I hope you never have to look into the eyes of someone who is in your house and not supposed to be there.

Google Richard Ramirez...he is a famous "hot" burglar...he burglarlized people's house when they were in them on purpose.

Sweet dreams...sleep well tonight you all...LOL :)
 

JPar

Senior Member
That is all good and well sir. I hope you never have to look into the eyes of someone who is in your house and not supposed to be there.

Google Richard Ramirez...he is a famous "hot" burglar...he burglarlized people's house when they were in them on purpose.

Sweet dreams...sleep well tonight you all...LOL :)

Yea, I'm familiar with Ramirez. But he's a very isolated case. Usually, your serial killers lure you into THEIR homes. :)

Again, I think percentages work in my favor... but who knows. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, too.
 

Eye-level

Banned
I do like the numbers and approach with regard to murder by gun in Great Britain. The British laws should be given some credit for this. I can't see those laws ever happening in the USA though. You know the USA is really funny. We have had to deal with some stuff in our short 200 or so years that was heart rendering but England and Europe have been dealing with the crap for much much longer. Maybe they have learned something we don't know yet. Maybe not.
 

JPar

Senior Member
I do like the numbers and approach with regard to murder by gun in Great Britain. The British laws should be given some credit for this. I can't see those laws ever happening in the USA though. You know the USA is really funny. We have had to deal with some stuff in our short 200 or so years that was heart rendering but England and Europe have been dealing with the crap for much much longer. Maybe they have learned something we don't know yet. Maybe not.

I agree. I think the relative youth of our country contributes to some of our poor decision making.

I am also in agreement about the murder by gun numbers being a key reason why I think the UK is doing things the right way. Is it a perfect system? No. But it gives innocent people in a crowd a fighting chance, where guns do not afford that.

I don't think we should ban guns in the US, but I do think it should be MUCH harder to get them (psych evals, waiting periods, license renewals) and that automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be only available to the police and military. I also think there should be a quota on how many guns one person can own. If the argument is self-defense, wouldn't it be much harder to pick from your 60 guns than to pick from one or two?
 

Eye-level

Banned
I think old white men in charge of everything results in poor decision making but then I am talking politics and that is a no no...

I think it is time to wind down this one.
 

silvertip

Senior Member
One of the reasons that the USA has not been invaded by a foreign country, at least in current times, is because of the number of guns that the government does not control. I honestly believe that to live free the law abiding citizens of a country should be able to defend themselves, whether it be from a foreign country or from a home invader.
There are very few incidents when a gun that is not being manipulated in some way by a human has killed someone. A gun sitting by itself in a closet or better yet in a gun-safe can not be fired without human intervention. A gun needs forces beyond itself for combustion of the gun powder.
In hunter safety classes that are taught the instructor always stresses the point of making sure of your target.
I may or may not have loaded guns in my house. I guess that is up the the invader to find out.
 

Eye-level

Banned
Silvertip I have to disagree with you sir about your reasoning for why America has not been invaded. I don't think it is because of all of our guns in the hands of citizens I think it is because before we give up a single square inch of territory we will make the whole world glow or at least burn like hell (or we'll just sell the territory to the highest bidder...cheaper to just buy it then invade it and trust me they are buying it up.) Deterrence works if the enemy understands they will die if they try it. Do you know what kind of bombing runs would happen should another country even try to get close to invading our country? They hit a couple of buildings full of people with a couple of planes and look what frigging happened!
 

Dave_W

The Dude
I think the reason has a lot to do with us being surrounded by thousands of miles of water on each side. Not only would we see them coming but the supply lines would be untenable.
 

Billy Y.

Senior Member
I think its because of all the cameras, and invaders don't want their picture taken. Or maybe its because it is 2012, i mean seriously - the crusades ended in the 15th century, invading is so "old school" :)
 

JPar

Senior Member
I think its because of all the cameras, and invaders don't want their picture taken. Or maybe its because it is 2012, i mean seriously - the crusades ended in the 15th century, invading is so "old school" :)

Who needs to invade when we have Google?
 

Thatguy Steve

Senior Member
I feel sorry for those naive enough to believe that gun ownership should be limited to the military and police.

These people are possible future victims.

There are a lot of bad people out there. That’s a fact. And I’m not being “paranoid”.

My wife and I live in Virginia and carry concealed wherever we go. And let me tell you it makes us feel much safer knowing we can protect ourselves (and possibly others if needed) if that time comes.

The first thing I ask anyone indicating to me that guns should be outlawed is this …..

Can you guarantee my safety? Can the police guarantee my safety?

The answer of course is, no they cannot.

Hell, even I can’t guarantee my own safety.

So, this being the case, how can anyone deny someone the right to protect themselves and their family by being firearms owners?

Easy, these people fear guns. And they should. Guns are dangerous. And in the hands of the wrong people are even more dangerous.

It sucks we live in a world and a society that is like this. And those that think it can be changed for the better by denying firearm ownership to the law abiding are being foolish.

Telling people they can’t own guns here in the United States is like saying we can deport all of the illegal aliens. It will never happen.

It’s funny, there are those that believe in a woman’s right to “protect herself and her future” by providing on-demand abortion. Yet these same people would tell you that I do not have the same right to “protect myself and my future” by owning a firearm.

These people live in a world where each morning they wake up, raise their hands above their heads, sway back and forth, left and right, and sing ….. “It’s a whole new world!”.

These people do not understand basic human nature. That Man is inherently evil. And to believe otherwise is not only foolish but dangerous to themselves and their families.

I work hard for what I have. And to allow someone to take any of it from me and my family is not acceptable.

Believe me …… the last thing they will see is the muzzle flash of my .45 …… shortly followed (of course) of my SB-700 attached to my D7000.

Protecting oneself is not only a right it is an instinct. And you cannot legislate instinct.
 
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JPar

Senior Member
I feel sorry for those naive enough to believe that gun ownership should be limited to the military and police.

These people are possible future victims.

There are a lot of bad people out there. That’s a fact. And I’m not being “paranoid”.

My wife and I live in Virginia and carry concealed wherever we go. And let me tell you it makes us feel much safer knowing we can protect ourselves (and possibly others if needed) if that time comes.

The first thing I ask anyone indicating to me that guns should be outlawed is this …..

Can you guarantee my safety? Can the police guarantee my safety?

The answer of course is, no they cannot.

Hell, even I can’t guarantee my own safety.

So, this being the case, how can anyone deny someone the right to protect themselves and their family by being firearms owners?

Easy, these people fear guns. And they should. Guns are dangerous. And in the hands of the wrong people are even more dangerous.

It sucks we live in a world and a society that is like this. And those that think it can be changed for the better by denying firearm ownership to the law abiding are being foolish.

Telling people they can’t own guns here in the United States is like saying we can deport all of the illegal aliens. It will never happen.

It’s funny, there are those that believe in a woman’s right to “protect herself and her future” by providing on-demand abortion. Yet these same people would tell you that I do not have the same right to “protect myself and my future” by owning a firearm.

These people live in a world where each morning they wake up, raise their hands above their heads, sway back and forth, left and right, and sing ….. “It’s a whole new world!”.

These people do not understand basic human nature. That Man is inherently evil. And to believe otherwise is not only foolish but dangerous to themselves and their families.

I work hard for what I have. And to allow someone to take any of it from me and my family is not acceptable.

Believe me …… the last thing they will see is the muzzle flash of my .45 …… shortly followed (of course) of my SB-700 attached to my D7000.

Protecting oneself is not only a right it is an instinct. And you cannot legislate instinct.

I don't think *anyone* said "only the military should carry guns."

What *was* said was "only the military should be allowed to carry automatic/semi-automatic weapons."

While you feel bad for those of us secure and confident enough in our own lives to not need guns, we feel bad for those that think carrying a deadly weapon somehow makes them safer.

We're all vulnerable to danger, whether we carry an AK-47 or an iPhone. How often have you had to use your conceal and carry in your entire life? I'd wager that it's likely never, just like a majority of other conceal and carry owners.

Face it - we're not in as much peril as gun owners like to make people think. It's a charade to keep gun legislation at a minimum.

I don't see how you can even equate women's rights and guns. They don't relate, and even if they did, it's a ludicrous argument.

And this?

Believe me …… the last thing they will see is the muzzle flash of my .45 …… shortly followed (of course) of my SB-700 attached to my D7000.

Seriously? Or was that meant to be "funny"? A little... sociopathic, don't you think?

So keep being paranoid and scared and living in a delusional world where everyone is out to get *you*... because, individually, we're so important that everyone wants to kill us, right?

Meanwhile, I'll enjoy life until it ends, and if it ends at the end of a barrel, so be it. That's life. That's death. And I refuse to be a part of the problem.

NOTE: This dialing up of rhetoric was merely a response.
 
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