Macro lens or tubes

rick.osgood

Senior Member
Hi all,

I am going on a trip to Costa Rica this November and am trying to get myself as ready as possible. I am sure there will be many butterflies and other insects along with flowers to photograph. I am trying to decide if I should bite the bullet and get a dedicated macro lens or if a quality tube kit would suffice. I am an amateur so will not be doing a ton of macro photography but I don't want to miss shots I may never see again.

Thanks
 

nickt

Senior Member
Tubes are nice, inexpensive, and work well. No glass, so good image quality. BUT, you will be stuck focusing close. No pictures of anything beyond close up range unless you remove the tube. If you get a macro lens you can walk around and take normal pictures too.
 

rick.osgood

Senior Member
Tubes are nice, inexpensive, and work well. No glass, so good image quality. BUT, you will be stuck focusing close. No pictures of anything beyond close up range unless you remove the tube. If you get a macro lens you can walk around and take normal pictures too.

Excellent point Nick. My limited experience says flowers stay still, insects do not. A dedicated lens seems a better choice but open to convincing to keep a little more money in my pocket.
 

nickt

Senior Member
I haven't used an extension tube in years, it was back in the film days. The tube came with a 50mm macro lens. Adding the tube got me a little closer, 2:1. It was fun in the backyard, but focus maxed out around 2 feet so I was pretty much walking around with a very specialized tool. You'll get bugs or flowers with either setup, but its just a nuisance to walk around in the woods and be limited to a 2 foot focus range. You might see a larger animal or plant nearby and you won't be able to focus on it with the tube installed. I don't know how to calculate what your max distance will be with a particular lens and tube, maybe somebody knows.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Hi all,

I am going on a trip to Costa Rica this November and am trying to get myself as ready as possible. I am sure there will be many butterflies and other insects along with flowers to photograph. I am trying to decide if I should bite the bullet and get a dedicated macro lens or if a quality tube kit would suffice. I am an amateur so will not be doing a ton of macro photography but I don't want to miss shots I may never see again.

Thanks

One difference is that extension tubes changes the way the lens focuses. In fact, near 1:1, the lens really does not focus anymore, its focus ring has such little range and effect we'd say it no longer focuses (focus is no longer useful). Instead, we move the camera back and forth hunting for the one distance where it will focus. Which is difficult on a tripod, and is the reason that geared focusing racks are used (to move the camera back and forth). If you want it to focus at a different distance, you change the tubes appropriately. Which is Not handy. :)

Whereas the macro lens will simply focus at any distance, like any lens does, but of course very much closer too. Easy as pie.
We only move the camera to change the magnification of the view we see. We get used to this great convenience.

Plus the macro lens is optically corrected for the closer distance, where a regular lens is not.

You would want a pretty short extension tube for butterflies and flowers.

Butterflies and flowers may not need either one. Insects might, but we typically don't do 1:1 macro blowups, but instead are standing back a few feet. A "closeup filter" is handy for that. Basically just a magnifying glass screwed on to the front of the lens. Can be used on a zoom lens to give more telephoto versatility. It does prevent focusing at infinity then, but it will focus close. Not nearly 1:1, but at a couple of feet, just about right for flowers and butterflies.

These "closeup filters" are marked with "diopter" strength, and the meaning is 1/diopter is the maximum distance they can be used. For example, 2 diopter works at up to 1/2 meter (lens focused at infinity then, and can focus closer).

There are good ones (double elements of glass, the Canon 500D is one of the good ones, the 500 means it is 2 diopters, or 1/2 meter). And there are cheapies, not as good. These are just screwon "filters", works on any camera with a matching filter thread size.

Extension tubes and macro lenses both reduce the light at high magnification, and require longer exposure. The closeup filters do not, but they are sharper when stopped well down, like say f/11 or so.

I think most of us quickly find the macro lens to become our favorite lens. Very versatile and handy, we don't have to keep changing tubes or filters.
 
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rick.osgood

Senior Member
One difference is that extension tubes changes the way the lens focuses. In fact, the lens really does not focus anymore, its focus ring has such little range and effect we'd say it no longer focuses. Instead, we move the camera back and forth hunting for the one distance where it will focus. Which is difficult on a tripod, and is the reason that geared focusing racks are used (to move the camera back and forth).

Whereas the macro lens will simply focus at any distance, like any lens does, but of course very much closer too. Easy as pie.
We only move the camera to change the magnification of the view we see. We get used to this great convenience.

Plus the macro lens is optically corrected for the closer distance, where a regular lens is not.

Butterflies and flowers may not need either one. Insects might, but we typically don't do 1:1 macro blowups, but instead are standing back a few feet. A "closeup filter" is handy for that. Basically just a magnifying glass screwed on to the front of the lens. Can be used on a zoom lens to give more telephoto versatility. It does prevent focusing at infinity then, but it will focus close. Not nearly 1:1, but at a couple of feet, just about right for flowers and butterflies. These are marked with "diopeter" strength, and the meaning is 1/diopter is the closest distance they can be used. For example, 2 diopeter works at 1/2 meter or further. There are good ones (double elements of glass, the Canon 500D is one of the good ones, the 500 means it is 2 diopters, or 1/2 meter). And there are cheapies, not as good.

Extension tubes and macro lenses both reduce the light at high magnification, and require longer exposure. The closeup filters do not, but they are sharper when stopped well down, like say f/11 or so.

I think most of us quickly find the macro lens to become our favorite lens.

Thanks you for your great reply.
 
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