Fx vs Dx Comparisons

gqtuazon

Gear Head
LOL Folks - it's not like we are building a piano here. What I can tell you is both those shot SOLD for $350.00 each framed 11x14 - the fellow who bought them didn't care or know they were from two different cameras :)


Nice. I didn't realize that framed pictures can cost that much. Congrats!

I disagree with you here Glenn:
For those two pictures: Sam shot first one with a prime lens 300mm on D700. The second one, D300 + zoom lens at max focal 500mm. How can we talk about the IQ of them? This case, the zoom lens should be the thing to be blamed on. Also, the second picture gets blurry because of shaking camera too.

D300 and D700 are the same generation of image sensors. I don't think the Dynamic Range get much differences. DR difference you found there comes from difference between a prime lens (300mm) on D700 and a junk zoom mounting on that D300 to take second picture.


I never looked at the exif data. I guess even if Salvatore used the 300mm prime on the D300, I have a good chance of telling them between the D300 and D700 using the same settings. IMO, there is a difference and improvement in IQ which in this case, the DR.

I have used the D700 for 3 years, so I can tell the subtle differences in color rendition between the DX and D700. Most people will have a hardtime telling the difference. This may not be entirely because of FX but it can also be contributed to the type of lenses that you use. The Nikon exotic primes are definitely something that stands out in most cases.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
Nice job Rick. If I was in the market for a FX camera, I would get the D800. I think you'll love that camera Rick.

I'm at a crossroads as to what I want, but the D800 is out of my desired reach. I'm waiting to see the next offerings for a flagship Dx and entry level Fx. If niether of those happen this year, or I am not impressed, I may move into a D700. Just want to see the next generation before I spend over 2k.
 

Mestre

Senior Member
I have the same doubts but since i had several DX lens I got a D7000.
Now the next step is to change all lens to FX before moving to FF.
 

Sambr

Senior Member
Can't go wrong with a D700 Rick, that's the one body I wouldn't sell. I bought a used D3s a few weeks back it's great love it however the D700 can hold it's own up to iso 6400 then the D3s shines. I do shoot iso 25,000 especially in the early mornings when I am out finding wildlife, so for me the D3s made sense.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
Can't go wrong with a D700 Rick, that's the one body I wouldn't sell. I bought a used D3s a few weeks back it's great love it however the D700 can hold it's own up to iso 6400 then the D3s shines. I do shoot iso 25,000 especially in the early mornings when I am out finding wildlife, so for me the D3s made sense.

I'm sure the D700 is all Iwould ever need and more. But...., I'm certain Nikon is going to come out with a D700 replacement and I'll be disappointed if I blow my wad now. For once I'm going to hold back and save more $.
 

pedroj

Senior Member
I take offense to your comment "junk zoom" that happen to be the new at that time Nikon 28-300VR -not cheap and not junk. This zoom has produced some stunning images both with the D300 & D700 - those coyote shots were shot in the wild not in a zoo where you have time to set up a Tripod there were taken on the fly.

A bit of a lesson for you buddy don't call stuff "junk" unless you personally can back it up with experience not magazine articles.

We've found out the second image was taken with a 28-300mm 10.something to one ratio what was the 300mm prime used to capture the 1st image...F4 or F2.8...
 

Sambr

Senior Member
The 1st photo was shot with my D700 and the 28-300VR @ 300mm F9 ISO 560 the 2nd one was with my D300 and Nikon 300mm with a 1.7 TC @ F9 ISO 400

Not too bad for a "junk zoom"
 
So, you still don't know that a tele-converter making an excellent lens/zoom becomes junk?
Lacking of knowledge is not a good reason to blame on D300 or the DX cameras' performances.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
I think we can all agree that of Sam's shots the first has higher IQ and the focal length/lenses are a contributing factor.

Lets not get derailed over this.

Sam- would you have any shots to post using the same lens?

Thanks!
 

pedroj

Senior Member
LOL Folks - it's not like we are building a piano here. What I can tell you is both those shot SOLD for $350.00 each framed 11x14 - the fellow who bought them didn't care or know they were from two different cameras :)

$350 for the second shot with it being Out Of Focus....Don't you feel a little diddled because the first image is so much better, so there for worth a lot more in my opinion...
 

Eye-level

Banned
I still think it is a waste of time having a pissing match over this on 1024Xwhatever resolution computer screens with even smaller than that images...lets print them...11X14 or even bigger and then see what we like...
 

Sambr

Senior Member
I still think it is a waste of time having a pissing match over this on 1024Xwhatever resolution computer screens with even smaller than that images...lets print them...11X14 or even bigger and then see what we like...

Yes your're right Jeff, I don't have to "justify" anything to anybody if someone wants to see what a camera will do Buy one. I had to. Enough said.
 

Rick M

Senior Member
Yes your're right Jeff, I don't have to "justify" anything to anybody if someone wants to see what a camera will do Buy one. I had to. Enough said.

But it's allot cheaper to pick your brain for free! :)

Thanks Sam and Glenn for your contributions, too bad it's so hard to stay "focused" on the purpose here. That seems to be a common problem on these sites.
 

Marcel

Happily retired
Staff member
Super Mod
If I get some free time and a nice cloudy day, I'll try to take two shots side by side with the DX and FX with equivalent lens focal length and quality. So even if I have to resize them to post we"ll see if you can all tell which is which.

This is my way of praying for a little tiny bit of sunshine. Please…please. ;)
 

gqtuazon

Gear Head
I still think it is a waste of time having a pissing match over this on 1024Xwhatever resolution computer screens with even smaller than that images...lets print them...11X14 or even bigger and then see what we like...

As long as you are willing to pay for the print, I don't mind doing that for you.
But it's allot cheaper to pick your brain for free! :)

Thanks Sam and Glenn for your contributions, too bad it's so hard to stay "focused" on the purpose here. That seems to be a common problem on these sites.

No worries Rick. I rarely shoot wildlife or sports, so the FX is my preferred camera when it comes to field of view.


If I get some free time and a nice cloudy day, I'll try to take two shots side by side with the DX and FX with equivalent lens focal length and quality. So even if I have to resize them to post we"ll see if you can all tell which is which.

This is my way of praying for a little tiny bit of sunshine. Please…please. ;)

Hi Marcel. The weather on the other side is much better during this time of the year. Take a trip down south so that you can have more photo opportunity. :)
 

Eye-level

Banned
I'm thinking sometime in the first quarter of 2013 after I make it through Christmas I will buy a good used D700...I've been convinced for a very long time there needs to be a D700 sitting next to my F2...the two coolest cameras ever made IMO...if you can't get a good picture every now and then with that setup then you probably oughtta just give up...
 

Marcel

Happily retired
Staff member
Super Mod
Just for fun, this is a shot I never thought would turn this good. It was DARK, very dark and it was mixed lights (daylight, tungsten,+fluorescents economy type).
I managed this with iso 5000, 1/15 hand held f8 and the D700. I don't think I would have gotten as sharp a shot using these settings with my D7000.

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