LR or PS

[hark]

Again, to be clear, Bridge does not have any editing function, it simply opens the image in Photoshop. Photoshop invokes ACR and looks for a sidecar file when asked to open a RAW file. The difference you're seeing is due to Elements having a stripped down version of ACR (only the Basic, Detail and Calibration sections with none of the radial graduated filters or spot healing). The sections they share are exactly the same, except Calibration has its sliders removed. If Elements is sufficient for you "Photoshopping" you can overcome this by using Lightroom as your front end, which gives you full ACR, and then use Elements to do whatever layering and other edits you need. For a lot of photographers the functionality of those two products would cover 95% of what they would do with LR and PS.

Lol! Okay Jake. Most of the time I agree with your corrections; however, here is a photo that I opened in Bridge. First I open Bridge then right click and choose the option to open with Camera RAW. It doesn't open Photoshop that way. You can see across the bottom of the image that Bridge is the only Adobe program running. I have the option to click 'Done' and it will save any editing changes without opening Photoshop...OR...I can click 'Open Image' which will then open the image in Photoshop.

 

[lorenbrothers]

So, 'bounce', how do you slay the dragon after it's been loosed? Maybe a Knight Errant?

 

[BackdoorArts]

Lol! Okay Jake. Most of the time I agree with your corrections; however, here is a photo that I opened in Bridge. First I open Bridge then right click and choose the option to open with Camera RAW. It doesn't open Photoshop that way. You can see across the bottom of the image that Bridge is the only Adobe program running. I have the option to click 'Done' and it will save any editing changes without opening Photoshop...OR...I can click 'Open Image' which will then open the image in Photoshop.

View attachment 186598

OK, so we're stuck on semantics. Bridge is still invoking Adobe Camera RAW, it's just doing it specifically and not as a step before opening it in Photoshop, which is what the Open Image button will cause to happen, as you said. The exact same thing happens if you're outside Bridge and simply open the RAW file in Photoshop. Given that I don't have Bridge installed on my laptop (nor do I want it installed) I was unable to give specific dialogue, but suffice it to say that you're not "opening the image in Bridge", you're "opening the image in Adobe Camera RAW", which is what essentially what I detailed when I assumed the "Open" in Bridge was specific to Photoshop.

Yes, you could argue that if you don't click on Open Image that you've not used Photoshop and done precisely what Lightroom does with the Develop module since a sidecar file will be created and Bridge will (I am assuming) update the preview to reflect that. The difference, in my eyes, is that ACR is not integrated with Bridge, Bridge merely provides access to it. Again, semantics.

 

[hark]

OK, so we're stuck on semantics. Bridge is still invoking Adobe Camera RAW, it's just doing it specifically and not as a step before opening it in Photoshop, which is what the Open Image button will cause to happen, as you said. The exact same thing happens if you're outside Bridge and simply open the RAW file in Photoshop. Given that I don't have Bridge installed on my laptop (nor do I want it installed) I was unable to give specific dialogue, but suffice it to say that you're not "opening the image in Bridge", you're "opening the image in Adobe Camera RAW", which is what essentially what I detailed when I assumed the "Open" in Bridge was specific to Photoshop.

Yes, you could argue that if you don't click on Open Image that you've not used Photoshop and done precisely what Lightroom does with the Develop module since a sidecar file will be created and Bridge will (I am assuming) update the preview to reflect that. The difference, in my eyes, is that ACR is not integrated with Bridge, Bridge merely provides access to it. Again, semantics.

Understood, my friend. I sure do miss your informative posts, Jake. And hope to see more of your photos soon...sorry but the quantity you post is too paltry to satisfy my appetite.

 

[BobB]

I'm going to "swim up stream" here and put my two cents in for a pretty simple editing software that I use. It's called Zoner Photo Studio 18. Here's the link: https://www.zoner.com/
Before this , I used a free shareware program called InfranView (do a google search). My first plunge into full fledged digital photo editing was with Zoner. The online down load came with a help guide in .pdf format and was pretty easy to use . The image below shows the main screen and it's '3-tab' options, Manager, Develop and Editor. (with the Editor Tab highlighted).


I was up and running with this software after about an hour and over the course of a week or 10 days, was pretty proficient at editing and storing images. I know it's not LR or PS or any of the other biggies, but for cost, ease of use and versatility, it suits me fine.