Continuous Shooting with Flash

WayneF

Senior Member
I'm not sure what all the issues are here. :)

The internal flash will only trigger one time, regardless of camera shutter burst mode. It just does not have the power to give up much, and the Ready LED has to be on.

A hot shoe speed light will trigger multiple times, regardless of Ready LED, but it has to recycle (like Geoffc said). It will attempt to trigger multiple times regardless if it is recycled yet or not, but the picture will be trash if it has not recycled. Ready LED has to be on to work right and expose properly.

In short, if you are shooting 5 frames per second, you have to use low enough power level where it can recycle in 1/5 of a second. Otherwise, it will be a problem. It has to recycle (ready led on).

I don't think there is any hard rule about how low the power has to be to be sure can recycle at X shots per second. There is a little extra overhead. Some of the flashes have a Repeating mode (self triggered many times a second), and the D800 manual has an elaborate Repeat mode chart, which says, for 5 Hz repeats for example:
8 flashes max at 1/8 power
40 flashes max at 1/32 power.

Saying, every 1/5 second can only do 1/8 power. And of course, you have to pay attention to NOT overheat it, so the chart says 8 flashes maximum. The SB-800 is not the fastest recycle, other models possibly could be slightly faster?

Try lower power levels until it works.

Fully charged NiMH batteries recycle significantly faster than alkaline or even low NiMH.


So out of curiosity, what power level and what trigger rate is being tried? With which flash? What's going on? :)

Auto FP mode was mentioned. If it was, that has to be bad news for repeating flash, since the maximum power level is already so low (only about 1/5 power), just to be a continuous HSS flash at maximum power. Try it in speedlight mode instead.
 
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WhiteLight

Senior Member
I'm not sure what all the issues are here. :)

The internal flash will only trigger one time, regardless of camera shutter burst mode. It just does not have the power to give up much, and the Ready LED has to be on.

A hot shoe speed light will trigger multiple times, regardless of Ready LED, but it has to recycle (like Geoffc said). It will attempt to trigger multiple times regardless if it is recycled yet or not, but the picture will be trash if it has not recycled. Ready LED has to be on to work right and expose properly.

In short, if you are shooting 5 frames per second, you have to use low enough power level where it can recycle in 1/5 of a second. Otherwise, it will be a problem. It has to recycle (ready led on).

I don't think there is any hard rule about how low the power has to be to be sure can recycle at X shots per second. There is a little extra overhead. Some of the flashes have a Repeating mode (self triggered many times a second), and the D800 manual has an elaborate Repeat mode chart, which says, for 5 Hz repeats for example:
8 flashes max at 1/8 power
40 flashes max at 1/32 power.

Saying, every 1/5 second can only do 1/8 power. And of course, you have to pay attention to NOT overheat it, so the chart says 8 flashes maximum. The SB-800 is not the fastest recycle, other models possibly could be slightly faster?

Try lower power levels until it works.

Fully charged NiMH batteries recycle significantly faster than alkaline or even low NiMH.


So out of curiosity, what power level and what trigger rate is being tried? With which flash? What's going on? :)

Auto FP mode was mentioned. If it was, that has to be bad news for repeating flash, since the maximum power level is already so low (only about 1/5 power), just to be a continuous HSS flash at maximum power. Try it in speedlight mode instead.


Lol... a lot of things have been discussed here hasn't it..

well, let me summarize everything-
2 cameras - D5100 & D7000
2 lenses - 105mm 2.8g & 35mm 1.8g
1 SB700
shooting mode - manual on both camera & flash (tried auto, TTL etc)

Issue - With flash in remote mode (Say flash is on an arm for macro/focus stacking), the camera (both) will allow to click only once.
The flash will fire for the first shot. if the shutter button is depressed, like you would for continuous shooting, only one image is captured...
to take another image, the shutter button has to be released & then pressed again...

so basically, the camera is not allowing for continuous firing.. so the flash is not getting triggered even.

However, if the camera is placed on camera, i can fire upto 5fps with no problems.

i've tried every setting possible, and there is no way i can shoot in burst mode.

the question now is - is continuous shooting possible, with a flash placed off camera?

(you can completely disregard the flash strength, battery strength etc as the camera are not even communicating with the flash for a second fire. Though i have tried with 1/128 power & full battery too)
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Lol... a lot of things have been discussed here hasn't it..

well, let me summarize everything-
2 cameras - D5100 & D7000
2 lenses - 105mm 2.8g & 35mm 1.8g
1 SB700
shooting mode - manual on both camera & flash (tried auto, TTL etc)

Issue - With flash in remote mode (Say flash is on an arm for macro/focus stacking), the camera (both) will allow to click only once.
The flash will fire for the first shot. if the shutter button is depressed, like you would for continuous shooting, only one image is captured...
to take another image, the shutter button has to be released & then pressed again...

so basically, the camera is not allowing for continuous firing.. so the flash is not getting triggered even.

However, if the camera is placed on camera, i can fire upto 5fps with no problems.

i've tried every setting possible, and there is no way i can shoot in burst mode.

the question now is - is continuous shooting possible, with a flash placed off camera?

(you can completely disregard the flash strength, battery strength etc as the camera are not even communicating with the flash for a second fire. Though i have tried with 1/128 power & full battery too)


I can't say I ever tried repeats in Remote mode.

There is no commander on D5100, but I assume you are saying you are using Commander on D7000.
I first jumped to the conclusion that probably the internal flash was not disabled? The Group for Builtin Flash not set to "- -" ? And it can only flash once.

But I just tried on on my D800 and SB-800, and it only triggers shutter one time too. I suppose that is still the "internal flash only fires one time" thing, regardless if only the commander? I'm not sure why it would be, but I see the same thing.

Kinda seemed the same thing as Remotes in FP flash mode... Internal flash cannot do FP mode, so it must be disabled in the commander menu (mode "- -") before it will allow faster shutter speed to start FP mode. Then it can be commander to do things the internal flash cannot do. But apparently this repeat mode will not? It must still be concerned with the duty cycle of the internal flash?

The D800 manual says that about internal flash too:

If the flash fires in continuous release mode, only one
photograph will be taken each time the shutter-release button is
pressed.

It also says about the internal flash:

The shutter release may be briefly disabled to protect the flash after it
has been used for several consecutive shots. The flash can be used
again after a short pause.

None of that happens for hot shoe flash.

So I assume stacking is Macro, and even if it worked, the trigger alone can cause a catchlight unless the SG-3IR panel is used.
It sounds like a good application for a SC-28 hot shoe extension cable (no internal flash involved).
 

dukatum

Senior Member
I can't say I ever tried repeats in Remote mode.

There is no commander on D5100, but I assume you are saying you are using Commander on D7000.
I first jumped to the conclusion that probably the internal flash was not disabled? The Group for Builtin Flash not set to "- -" ? And it can only flash once.

But I just tried on on my D800 and SB-800, and it only triggers shutter one time too. I suppose that is still the "internal flash only fires one time" thing, regardless if only the commander? I'm not sure why it would be, but I see the same thing.

If indeed he is using the built-in flash as a commander, this will likely be the issue, It'll only allow one shot as you say. I've assumed by saying "remote" he is using a remote trigger which I've tried with my D7000 + flash and it fires well, but if he is using the built-in flash as part of the system, then it's a one shot wonder.
 

WayneF

Senior Member
Yeah, remote flash works OK with continuous shutter, if the Commander is the SB-800 on the hot shoe.

External speedlights can do it, but not the internal flash. Apparently the one flash rule is an absolute. Maybe that is the reason commanders are built into external flashes. :)
 
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WhiteLight

Senior Member
Wow.. That really sucks..
Is this a limitation with nikon only? Cos I've seen videos with people using this method...
Or would it be possible if a sync cable was used?
Thanks for trying it out and the explanations @WayneF
Definitely learnt something new here.. Though it's unfortunate :)
@dukatum - I am using the on camera flash as the commander in the D7000.
The D5100 flash can also be used to trigger a flash remotely in SU4 mode..
That's where the confusion started, if the 7000 with the built in commander would work better and allow burst mode with flash..
You mentioned that you tried it with a trigger and it worked well...
Does that mean you could achieve burst mode?
I've put off getting the Skyport universal receiver, but if this were to work, I would get it...!

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dukatum

Senior Member
I use youngnuo flashes, and these have radio receivers built in. I then hot shoe a transceiver on my camera to trigger them. This is all cheap stuff but works very well and will get you your rapid flashes.

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Scott Murray

Senior Member
OK...so tried changing the focus/release settings - no difference.
I can shoot no problems with the flash on-camera...
off camera - only one shot at a time...
the camera will not close the shutter again until the shutter button is not released

:( :( :(
Ok read all posts and looks like its been discussed lol. I have nothing to add :p
 
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WhiteLight

Senior Member
That's indeed great news..
i can now go ahead and get the Skyport receiver then..
but i think my next flash is NOT going to be a SB700..
either a Yongnuo 565 or SB910
 
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