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  1. #1
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    Need encouragement & advice

    howdy again

    As some already know I am very new to this hobby, my new lens came the other day so have been out to give it a quick try, I already know its a cheap lens (Tamron 70-300) no VR so I knew I would struggle a lot but thought it would start me off for now (if you know what I mean) so anyway you know whats coming next, yes was quite disappointed with the results, I know I wouldnt go straight out and take perfect shots but was hoping for a little better, have read a lot on here regarding settings and tried to follow some of the advice, struggling with birds, static not flying as that's out of my league, photos seem to lack detail, please tell me where I am going wrong, I am not giving up, but is it a combination of things? Me combined with cheap lens and don't know what I am doing, go easy on me lol

    Thanks
    John

    (Been shooting in RAW, Says NEF file too large to upload, how can I upload them? , everything is against me lol)


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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Quote Originally Posted by jet2004uk View Post
    howdy again

    As some already know I am very new to this hobby, my new lens came the other day so have been out to give it a quick try, I already know its a cheap lens (Tamron 70-300) no VR so I knew I would struggle a lot but thought it would start me off for now (if you know what I mean) so anyway you know whats coming next, yes was quite disappointed with the results, I know I wouldnt go straight out and take perfect shots but was hoping for a little better, have read a lot on here regarding settings and tried to follow some of the advice, struggling with birds, static not flying as that's out of my league, photos seem to lack detail, please tell me where I am going wrong, I am not giving up, but is it a combination of things? Me combined with cheap lens and don't know what I am doing, go easy on me lol

    Thanks
    John

    (Been shooting in RAW, Says NEF file too large to upload, how can I upload them? , everything is against me lol)
    So you're shooting in RAW... Are you doing any post processing on these shots using Lightroom or Photoshop or something like that?
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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    When I learn how yes, I got them in Photoshop, saving them as JPEG, will lose detail? even more?

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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Hi john
    im not up on post processing but I know Raw needs it , your shots will look flat and lack definition without it
    If you desperately want to see some decent shot right away shoot some JPEG see what you get
    If you are sticking with Raw they need to be converted to JPEG to post on the forum
    Hope this helps a little , I'm sure more experienced users will add to this
    good luck
    Thanks/Like Bill16 Thanks/liked this post
     

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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Quote Originally Posted by jet2004uk View Post
    When I learn how yes, I got them in Photoshop, saving them as JPEG, will lose detail? even more?
    Well... If you're going to shoot in RAW then you need to learn how to post process those files. RAW files come straight out of the camera and have not had any of the processing JPG's get automatically; it's still "raw", as in "uncooked" if you will. What you might want to do is shoot in RAW + JPG, at least for now. This way, you'll wind up with RAW files to learn how to post-process on using Photoshop, but you'll also have JPG's which will be fully processed for you. Then, once you're fully up to speed on how to post process, you can decide if you want to keep shooting RAW + JPG or simply shoot in RAW.

    There are things you can do to improve your JPG's, straight out of the camera as well if you want to adjust a setting or two.
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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Need encouragement & advice
    was only about 10 yards away
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    best out of a bad bunch lol
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  7. #7
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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Quote Originally Posted by jet2004uk View Post
    When I learn how yes, I got them in Photoshop, saving them as JPEG, will lose detail? even more?
    So the advantage of shooting RAW is so that you can tweak them and make them "Pop" in post edit, when you have done your edits you then export them from Lightroom/Photoshop as JPEG to the size you want (this is what I do)

    Can you save one as Jpeg and upload it ?
    Nikon Z 6
    Nikon FTZ Adapter
    Nikon 24-70 2.8
    Sigma 70-200 2.8
    Nikon 50mm 1.4g
    Nikon 85mm 1.8g
    Sigma 105mm 2.8 Macro

    Rotolight NEO 2 x 2
    Rotolight AEOS
    Rotolight Anova PRO 2

    Studio Backdrop, Softboxes and reflectors

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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Done

  9. #9
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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    I did about 100 photos with various settings, none seemed to stick out more than others when it came to detail, Metering had me confused, AF area had me confused, focusing had me confused, tried different combinations, all I wanted was a good quality photo of a bird 10 yards away, Just tell me its me and my messed up settings and not my cheap lens

  10. #10
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    Re: Need encouragement & advice

    Need encouragement & advice
    So here is a shot I took withmy Tamron yesterday (its a 70-300 non VR but it is Macro)

    As you can see its "Flat" before edits (I was zoomed right out to 300mm but on a DX Camera) I was a couple stops down on light

    Before edit-0034 by Darren Fellows, on Flickr

    After edits I took the shadows down, brought the contrast up and clarity and it looks better, I can still play with it to get the bird to come out a little more

    This is an advantage to shooting in RAW

    DSC_0034 by Darren Fellows, on Flickr

    Its a borderline out of focus shot but I wanted to show you what can be done in Lightroom
    Last edited by Daz; 04-14-2015 at 08:55 PM.
    Nikon Z 6
    Nikon FTZ Adapter
    Nikon 24-70 2.8
    Sigma 70-200 2.8
    Nikon 50mm 1.4g
    Nikon 85mm 1.8g
    Sigma 105mm 2.8 Macro

    Rotolight NEO 2 x 2
    Rotolight AEOS
    Rotolight Anova PRO 2

    Studio Backdrop, Softboxes and reflectors





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