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    Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    I've watched all the videos and read all the reviews and still torn. Since I havent bought either yet I'm still in the blissful state of not committed. Going with the kit would allow me to pick up the 14-30 at the same time. Anyone on here shot both?


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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    I have shot both extensively.IF you need a top flight mid zoom, you can't do better than the 24-70 2.8.In every criteria it is quite probably the best mid zoom on the planet. But it is not cheap and might not be needed.The F/4 version is excellent, better than either the 24-70 2.8 G or E versions which I also have.
    The 14-30 is slower in aperture but it compares very well to the famous 14-24 2.8. Corner to corner, an important criteria for landscape and architecture photography, is better with the smaller, lighter and better suited to filters and ND filters since it has a front element recessed so it accepts standard screw on filters. I am a big fan of the 14-30 because it is the perfect travel wide angle and fitts and carry-on or camera bag. Unless someone really needs 2.8, it is hard to justify the higher cost of the 14-24 2.8. For a long time it was the best ultra-wide angle available. But since that time the lower cost Tamron 15-30 2.8 had excellent VR and $500 cheaper. I sold my 14-24 some time ago but bought a Tamron last year and find it to be very impressive in feel, build, optics and 5 stops of VR. Then enter Z cameras with the gigantic flange and the shortest flange distance so ultra wide lenses can be smaller and simpler. The f/4 14-30 S lenses is too small, too light and too good to be ignored. As a travel lens, I think it is the best option on the market for any mount. If you need a sharp wide angle and do not need faster than f/4, I say it ticks all the right boxes.

    What do you shoot that would benefit from f/2.8 in a mid zoom? I do a lot of low light and portraiture and events where 24-70 is very useful but find I really do not need 2.8 when the excellent 1.8 85 , 35 and 50mm primes that are super. I did a shoot tonight, portrait and boudoir session tonight and took only a SB900, the Z6, a 24-70 f/4, 85 1.8 S, and 50 1.8 S that fit in a small sling bag. I have not edited them but the images looked great on the monitor. Every image was taken with the 24-70 f/4 or the 85 1.8.
    No lens is magic, they are tools and like all tools, they assist the craftsmen but do not make the results. What do you shoot and in what conditions?
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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    Sorry I don't have an answer to your question, Rick. Since you mentioned not yet being committed, I highly doubt Nikon will drop the price between now and New Years. I'm thinking back to when a different new body was released (maybe the D500). Whatever body it was, Nikon didn't offer any better price than was available on Black Friday. But the following year, they did have some specials.

    You might want to see if February brings any additional markdowns. Quite often Nikon has a mid-February sale. Or sometimes in May or July - can't remember for sure.

    Hope you will get some feedback in response to your question!
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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    Quote Originally Posted by spb_stan View Post
    I have shot both extensively.IF you need a top flight mid zoom, you can't do better than the 24-70 2.8.In every criteria it is quite probably the best mid zoom on the planet. But it is not cheap and might not be needed.The F/4 version is excellent, better than either the 24-70 2.8 G or E versions which I also have.
    The 14-30 is slower in aperture but it compares very well to the famous 14-24 2.8. Corner to corner, an important criteria for landscape and architecture photography, is better with the smaller, lighter and better suited to filters and ND filters since it has a front element recessed so it accepts standard screw on filters. I am a big fan of the 14-30 because it is the perfect travel wide angle and fitts and carry-on or camera bag. Unless someone really needs 2.8, it is hard to justify the higher cost of the 14-24 2.8. For a long time it was the best ultra-wide angle available. But since that time the lower cost Tamron 15-30 2.8 had excellent VR and $500 cheaper. I sold my 14-24 some time ago but bought a Tamron last year and find it to be very impressive in feel, build, optics and 5 stops of VR. Then enter Z cameras with the gigantic flange and the shortest flange distance so ultra wide lenses can be smaller and simpler. The f/4 14-30 S lenses is too small, too light and too good to be ignored. As a travel lens, I think it is the best option on the market for any mount. If you need a sharp wide angle and do not need faster than f/4, I say it ticks all the right boxes.

    What do you shoot that would benefit from f/2.8 in a mid zoom? I do a lot of low light and portraiture and events where 24-70 is very useful but find I really do not need 2.8 when the excellent 1.8 85 , 35 and 50mm primes that are super. I did a shoot tonight, portrait and boudoir session tonight and took only a SB900, the Z6, a 24-70 f/4, 85 1.8 S, and 50 1.8 S that fit in a small sling bag. I have not edited them but the images looked great on the monitor. Every image was taken with the 24-70 f/4 or the 85 1.8.
    No lens is magic, they are tools and like all tools, they assist the craftsmen but do not make the results. What do you shoot and in what conditions?
    Thank you for the in-depth response. Reviews and videos get so tedious and few are impartial. I typically shoot landscapes, some portraits but not professionally. I wouldn't need f2.8 for landscapes unless there was a measurable difference in the corners. It sounds like the 14-30 is perfect for my needs. When I was shooting Nikon years ago I often considered the 14-24 2.8 but wasn't interested in the filter systems it would require.

    The 24-70 2.8 really has me thinking in regards to events and capturing the grandchildren as they grow (fast moving portrait targets). So I guess I'm trying to decide if the F4 has enough subject isolation. With that said I will certainly add the 85 1.8 down the road if I go with the f4; but would I if I had the 2.8 would I need to...., . I've noticed some used F4's showing up for sale and I'm guessing it's folks upgrading to the 2.8, which is what I hope to avoid.

    Thank you for your thoughts.
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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    I would suggest checking out the 14-30 as probably the optimum combination of traits in a wide angle for your style: reasonable price, small size and great optical performance.
    The 2.8 version of the 24-70 is expensive for the subject you would like to capture. regardless of how great that version is. If the "kit" lens was not as good as it is, it would be easier to justify the larger more expensive lens. But the f/4 really is good and the only limitation is maximum aperture which can be made up for by a stop increase in ISO or the fact that the IBIS is 5.5 stops, allowing you to shoot ridiculously long shutter speeds hand held. I think a better option for people who are more flexible in shooting conditions is to get a used f/4 and for optimum isolation and lowlight, adding with the money saved, the 50 1.8 or 85 1.8 S. I use my f/4 24-70 all the time, every day because the small walking around kit is so light and compact that it fits into a LowePro sling bag that serves the dual purpose of camera bag and man-purse. I doubt you could fine a used 85 1.8 S but there are some 50mm 1.8 S because it has been out over a year. I have both and both are spectacular but differ only in field of view. For me, the 85 is used more but the 50s can serve more subjects.
    In my sling bag is also a SB900 Nikon flash because I use flash a lot, not only in low light but daytime for smoothing hard mid-day shadows. If used properly, a small box of light is useful for almost every scene even if just as a hair light behind the subject. Flash negates the need for wide apertures.Subject isolation is possible with any lens at almost any aperture, and is mostly determined by the ratio of camera-to-subject versus subject-to-background. Moving in closer increases the isolation. This is doubly possible due to the 24-70 f/4 has such a short minimum subject distance. When you really want a near field background to melt into a foggy cloud, the 85 1.8 S is a Bokeh monster.. The 50 is a little more granular to my eye but it is easier to get cream at 85 or 105.
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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    Mark, I was in a similar place. I shot a lot of landscapes and sunrises with my D700. I used the 14-24 2.8 lens. For Church photos and just walk around I had drifted to a Tamron 28-75 2.8 and enjoyed using it a lot on the D700.

    When I bought the Z6 it was before the 2.8 came out but I was still unsure about getting the 24-70 f4 but after a number of reviews including some comments from Stan, I went for the kit that included the 24-70 f4 and the FTZ adapter. I figured worse case I could always upgrade, but once I got the lens I have found no need to do so.

    I am sure that there are times when the 2.8 might be nice, but not when I consider the price differential. I now have the 50, and 85 f1.8 lenses and I am very pleased and I have found myself using the primes more and more. I am really glad I purchased it, and the money I saved made the two primes more reachable.

    Health issues have kept me from landscape stuff this year. I just have not been out as much. But what little I have gotten out I have used the 14-24. It is fine, but it is heavy and the filters are a challenge for me so I have some limitations as to what I can do. My goal is to replace it with the 14-30 f4 just based on weight and filter issues. I rarely if ever went all the way to 2.8 with the 14-24 and based on the reviews I have seen, and my experience with all the S lenses, I will be more than happy with the 14-30 f4 lens.

    I know that I can be a bit enthusiastic when it comes to the Z platform. But I have to tell you that with every aspect of the platform I have been presently surprised with its performance. It really meets my needs. It has also given me more confidence in my photos. It is kind of like a good guitar. You may have a decent guitar and you can play ok, but when you get a really nice one with a good neck suddenly everything is a bit easier and you will try that run that you couldn't do on your old guitar and you nail it.
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    Re: Nikon Z s 24-70 2.8 vs the f4

    Thank you Stan and Dan, exactly the insight I was looking for.
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