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  1. #11
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbrent View Post
    My experience has been that Tokina lenses run rings around Tamron lenses!
    Totally agree Brent


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  2. #12
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    You know, you can buy that 70-200 f2.8 from several respected sources in used Excellent condition for ~$700 ?

    I'd buy a used Nikon anything over a New Tamron anything
    The Z-mount? Any I've looked at were well over $2K...
    I have an older screw-drive 80-200 f/2.8 that I love on my F-mounts, but I'm thinking about a Nikkor 70-200 or 70-300 Z-mount in the future.
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  3. #13
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Thank you Peter!!
    Brent: Poway, CA
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    Nikon 18-200mm
    Tokina 28-70mm f2.6-2.8
    Nikon 80-200mm f2.8
    Sigma 150-600mm
    Nikon 50 AF f1.8
    Tokina 100mm f2.8 Macro
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  4. #14
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by desmobob View Post
    The Z-mount? Any I've looked at were well over $2K...
    I have an older screw-drive 80-200 f/2.8 that I love on my F-mounts, but I'm thinking about a Nikkor 70-200 or 70-300 Z-mount in the future.
    I'm guessing the only thing you'd "gain" with a Z lens over the DSLR G lens is maybe a couple ounces in weight... I'd also surmise that Nikon is going to be slow to releasing comparable "pro" lens for the Z cameras because they're sitting on 10+ years of F mount Pro lens inventory... It's difficult to develop new product lines when you're holding huge inventories of basically the same product. You can do that, but then you'd need to move that old inventory at discounted rates...and Nikon, by comparison to other companies, has always been disinclined to deeply discount any of their products... That's lessening the "value" that Nikon tries to maintain...
    Last edited by FredKingston; 09-01-2022 at 06:21 PM.
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  5. #15
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    I'm guessing the only thing you'd "gain" with a Z lens over the DSLR G lens is maybe a couple ounces in weight... I'd also surmise that Nikon is going to be slow to releasing comparable "pro" lens for the Z cameras because they're sitting on 10+ years of F mount Pro lens inventory...
    As shown with the Z-mount lenses already tested and in use, there is a lot more to gain than a couple of ounces. And Nikon already released the "pro" version Z-mount 70-200mm f/2.8 S late in 2020... what I'm hoping for is a less expensive 70-200 or 70-300 f/4.

    My "non-pro" Z-mount 24-70mm f/4 S outperforms the "pro" F-mount 24-70 f/2.8 except in low-light capability. My "non-pro" Z-mount 50mm f/1.8 S outperforms any of the previous F-mount 50mms by a good bit. (I have a sort of standard lens "collection" of eight different Nikkor F-mount 50mms.) And the pro versions of these lenses, the Z-mount 24-70 f/2.8 S and 50m f/1.2 S, have set new standards for lens performance.

    I still enjoy and value my F-mount Nikkors and my Nikon SLR and DSLR bodies, but the Z system is incredible and I will certainly build a basic lens outfit for it. I have the 24-70/4, the 40/2 and the 50/1.8 so far. All are superior to my F-mount lenses.
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  6. #16
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Needa View Post
    TT 5.6 to 6.3 is only a third of a stop given the ISO and noise capabilities of these new cameras is that really a concern?
    Yup, it is to me. I've noticed the difference between 5.6 lenses and 6.3 lenses on my Z6. I've found situations that 5.6 lenses will AF when 6.3 wont, (crappy gym lighting shooting volleyball). Its no big deal if the subject is static but Nikon doesn't AF in low light very well, frustratingly so with slow glass. Plus, the subject separation is better with 5.6 than 6.3. This isn't a concern with longer lenses like the 200-500f5.6 vs 150-600 f6.3. Overall, I'm concerned about the trend for Nikon's amateur level lenses. F mount 18-140 was a 5.6 lens, now its 6.3 for the Z (and 30% more expensive). F mount 28-300 was a 5.6 lens, the Z may have gained 4mm at the wide end, (24mm instead of 28mm, sadly f4 instead of f3.5) but lost 100mm at the long end and also went to 6.3 (selling for nearly a grand). They do offer some great amateur standard zooms, the 24-120 & 28-75, but (still) nothing telephoto.
    To be clear, I'm sure this Tamron lens is going to be fine. Any new lens at this point should give stellar results, above what lenses of yesteryear could have done at the same aperture. I hope Tamron continues to build lenses for the Z, they've got excellent glass. I hope Sigma joins it too, competition is good! It just irks me that it was THIS lens they did it to and what that means for the future of this lens for Nikon. To me, it seems like a step backwards instead of what Nikon knows their base wants. It's no secret that their Z lens roadmap had (has) a huge gaping hole in it where either the 70-200f4S (best option) or 70-300f5.6(acceptable option) should be. The 100-400 $eem$ like a great len$ for tho$e who can afford it, but I prefer the cost, size and weight savings that lens does not offer. Hopefully this Tamron lens sets the stage to allow Nikon to release the 70-200f4S (that collapses just like the 14-30&24-70 f4S lenses). I just need Nikon to start cranking out their lens lineup a little more quickly or my need for a great volleyball/Tennis lens wont be needed anymore
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    Camera- Z6, D800, D7500, D40x
    Lenses-
    Z- 14-30 f4, 24-70 f4, 24-200 f4-6.3, 50 f1.8, 105 f2.8
    DX- Tokina 11-16 f2.8, Sigma A 18-35 f1.8, Nikon 18-140 f3.5-5.6
    FX- Tamron 15-30 f2.8, Nikon 35-70 f2.8, Nikon 80-200 f2.8, Nikon 24-120 f4, Nikon AF-P 70-300 f4.5-5.6 Sigma C 150-600 f5-6.3
    Prime Lenses- Nikon 50 f1.8g, Tamron 85 f1.8, Tokina 100 f2.8, Rokinon HD 8 f3.5

  7. #17
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedThrottle View Post
    Yup, it is to me. I've noticed the difference between 5.6 lenses and 6.3 lenses on my Z6. I've found situations that 5.6 lenses will AF when 6.3 wont, (crappy gym lighting shooting volleyball). Its no big deal if the subject is static but Nikon doesn't AF in low light very well, frustratingly so with slow glass. Plus, the subject separation is better with 5.6 than 6.3. This isn't a concern with longer lenses like the 200-500f5.6 vs 150-600 f6.3.
    Thanks TT. That is the kind info I was looking for.

  8. #18
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    I'm guessing the only thing you'd "gain" with a Z lens over the DSLR G lens is maybe a couple ounces in weight...
    There is a significant sound difference between af-s lenses and the af-p lenses or the stepping motor used in Z lenses. I can't use af-s lenses for video due to the constant whirring and clicking noises made when focusing, its picked up on the mic and is very distracting while viewing the video. Plus, you get 5 axis VR with Z lenses as opposed to just 3 using f mount via FTZ.
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    Camera- Z6, D800, D7500, D40x
    Lenses-
    Z- 14-30 f4, 24-70 f4, 24-200 f4-6.3, 50 f1.8, 105 f2.8
    DX- Tokina 11-16 f2.8, Sigma A 18-35 f1.8, Nikon 18-140 f3.5-5.6
    FX- Tamron 15-30 f2.8, Nikon 35-70 f2.8, Nikon 80-200 f2.8, Nikon 24-120 f4, Nikon AF-P 70-300 f4.5-5.6 Sigma C 150-600 f5-6.3
    Prime Lenses- Nikon 50 f1.8g, Tamron 85 f1.8, Tokina 100 f2.8, Rokinon HD 8 f3.5

  9. #19
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    I'm guessing the only thing you'd "gain" with a Z lens over the DSLR G lens is maybe a couple ounces in weight... I'd also surmise that Nikon is going to be slow to releasing comparable "pro" lens for the Z cameras because they're sitting on 10+ years of F mount Pro lens inventory... It's difficult to develop new product lines when you're holding huge inventories of basically the same product. You can do that, but then you'd need to move that old inventory at discounted rates...and Nikon, by comparison to other companies, has always been disinclined to deeply discount any of their products... That's lessening the "value" that Nikon tries to maintain...
    Fred the Z Lenses released to date are better glass. And as for Pro Grade. The Z mount lenses with the S in the nomenclature are comparable to the gold ring pro lenses of the F Mount if not better. My 50 1.8 is better than the G version by an order of magnitude. I do not use it as much as I did because I love the 24-70 f2.8S that lives on my Z6 these days. The only shortcoming that the Z lenses have is the short between the shutter button and the ground... (that would be me). I also have the 85 f1.8S, the 14-30 f4 and the 70-200 f2.8S. My 85 f1.8S is better than the f1.4 F mount I used to borrow from a friend of mine. The 70-200 f2.8S blows me away as well. The 14-30 f4S I think is better than the 14-24 f2.8 F Mount I had and it is certainly lighter by almost half.

    The thing is most of the released lenses are S lenses. They are well made and they have a good weather seal. Some of the talking heads on the web dogged them out when they first hit but they never really gave them a chance and with the firmware updates made to all the bodies and many of the lenses they are pretty amazing. The non S lenses are amazing as well. Nikon is investing in the Z line. They have introduced some pretty amazing long lenses for the wildlife folks like the 800 mm and the 400 f2.8S TC VR. I wish they had some more lenses. 70-300 with VR would be nice. A zoom similar to what Tamron currently produces going up to 600 would be nice. I think they are in the plan but not there yet.

    But based on the reviews of the 28-75 f2.8, which was a Tamron lens, I would look at them if the price was right. I had great success with my Tamron lenses on my D7200 and my D700. My Tamron 26-75 f2.8 lived on my 700 and and it was only replaced by the Tamron 70-200 f2.8 G2 when necessary. So i am glad Tamron is going to be building lenses.

    But for now, I have all the lenses I need. Maybe I will get a Z6III when they announce it. There is supposed to be an announcement end of September. Maybe a Z8 or a Z6III, who knows.
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  10. #20
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    Re: Tamron Making Z Lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedThrottle View Post
    There is a significant sound difference between af-s lenses and the af-p lenses or the stepping motor used in Z lenses. I can't use af-s lenses for video due to the constant whirring and clicking noises made when focusing, its picked up on the mic and is very distracting while viewing the video. Plus, you get 5 axis VR with Z lenses as opposed to just 3 using f mount via FTZ.
    I have gotten so used to those points I forget about them. I traded my last Z lens out about a year ago, except for my 200-500 f5.6 and the Z lenses are nearly silent. And the 5 axis IBIS is so amazing as well that I can hand hold shots I never was able to hold before.
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    Dan~~Kentucky

    "The natural man must know in order to believe; The spiritual man must believe in order to know. " ~ Aiden Wilson Tozer ~ "The Dwelling Place of God"

    Nikon Z 6 FX Mirrorless Body, Nikkor Z 50 mm f/1.8S, Z 85 f/1.8S, Z70-200 F/2.8S, Z24-70 f/2.8S
    Nikkor Z14--30 f/4S, TC-2.0x Z mount Tele-Converter, AF-S Nikon 200-500 mm f/5.6E ED VR,

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