High pass sharpening

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
This is something i have not liked but it looks to be more popular now so decided to revisit it,the question i have is have i overcooked these two.
Any thoughts welcome

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J-see

Senior Member
I'd have taken the layer opacity some % down but that's taste. I'm always using the high-pass hattrick these days but the problem is usually not the sharpening itself but the oversharpening.

It's very easy to use too much. What I do is bring the opacity down while switching the layer on and off until I have a hard time seeing the actual difference. Then I up the % a couple. I do that for all three layers.

What you also have to pay attention to is to erase undesired auras. Especially the outlines in high contrast areas can suffer those artifacts (the tail of the second as an example displays a fine "glow"). I simply use the eraser and remove those parts in the high pass layers before merging all.
 
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mikew_RIP

Senior Member
I'd have taken the layer opacity some % down but that's taste. I'm always using the high-pass hattrick these days but the problem is usually not the sharpening itself but the oversharpening.

It's very easy to use too much. What I do is bring the opacity down while switching the layer on and off until I have a hard time seeing the actual difference. Then I up the % a couple. I do that for all three layers.

What you also have to pay attention to is to erase undesired auras. Especially the outlines in high contrast areas can suffer those artifacts (the tail of the second as an example displays a fine "glow"). I simply use the eraser and remove those parts in the high pass layers before merging all.

The using too much is what bothered me,i think its like eating curry you start with a mild one but can quiet easily start craving stronger tastes,will start playing with the eraser
 

J-see

Senior Member
The using too much is what bothered me,i think its like eating curry you start with a mild one but can quiet easily start craving stronger tastes,will start playing with the eraser

Indeed, it can be like saturation. You tend to use it some more and some more until at some point your eyes start to bleed. That's why I always go down until it is almost invisible and then up the opacity not more than 5%.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
What I've found with HP sharpening is that it's very easy to overcook it, and hard to judge when you're in the Filter dialogue and wondering precisely what radius will be most effective for your image.

I do not apply this until after resizing (and have pretty much given up on it in favor of Smart Sharpening for web images), but when I use it this is what I do...

1. Open the resized image in Photoshop
2. Duplicate the background layer
3. Set the Blend Mode on layer 1 to Overlay or Vibrant (the first if I want mild sharpening, the other if I want it really sharp).
- This now looks like crap, but fear not...
4. Zoom to 100% (cmd/cntrl-1)
5. Under the Filter -> Other menu, choose High Pass
6. Making sure Preview is checked, adjust the Radius until the proper effect is achieved.
7. Move the Opacity slider to 20% and then bring it back slowly until it looks right. More times than not I stop around 80%.
 

J-see

Senior Member
I do about the same but think my PS version has a slightly different high pass.

None of the three layers ever has more than 40% opacity and vivid seldom more than 30%. But since every next layer shrinks the high-pass range by 50%, the effect is much more sensible than using only one high-pass layer.

It might be different for newer PS versions.
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
What I've found with HP sharpening is that it's very easy to overcook it, and hard to judge when you're in the Filter dialogue and wondering precisely what radius will be most effective for your image.

I do not apply this until after resizing (and have pretty much given up on it in favor of Smart Sharpening for web images), but when I use it this is what I do...

1. Open the resized image in Photoshop
2. Duplicate the background layer
3. Set the Blend Mode on layer 1 to Overlay or Vibrant (the first if I want mild sharpening, the other if I want it really sharp).
- This now looks like crap, but fear not...
4. Zoom to 100% (cmd/cntrl-1)
5. Under the Filter -> Other menu, choose High Pass
6. Making sure Preview is checked, adjust the Radius until the proper effect is achieved.
7. Move the Opacity slider to 20% and then bring it back slowly until it looks right. More times than not I stop around 80%.

Many thanks Jake,it reads easy but i have a feeling i will be back with questions :D
 

mikew_RIP

Senior Member
I do about the same but think my PS version has a slightly different high pass.

None of the three layers ever has more than 40% opacity and vivid seldom more than 30%. But since every next layer shrinks the high-pass range by 50%, the effect is much more sensible than using only one high-pass layer.

It might be different for newer PS versions.

I have elements 11 so it may be different again
 

J-see

Senior Member
I have elements 11 so it may be different again

The principle will be about the same.

I'd suggest you try single high and maybe give the triple I use a shot and see if it is worth the extra time or wasted effort. It takes me only a couple of minutes to apply them even when it sounds like a lot of work.
 

J-see

Senior Member
I tested it myself to see if what I do is wasted effort or not.

The first is the image as is, no sharpening.
The second one High Pass vivid 40% opacity.
The third 3 different High Pass, 40-20-40%.
The fourth the third extra sharpened in LR.

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J-see

Senior Member
It's about taste. I prefer the third because it is not as in your face. There's much more nuance in the overlays.

You notice the differences best when you save them to your comp and then cycle back and forth in some viewer. That directly shows what areas are different.
 
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