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  1. #21
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses
    @Marcel, which focusing screen does 600 fall in with? I know Nikon groups them together per similar dimensions of the cameras. I might just see if I can procure me one of the split-prisms off ebay like I did with my 5100.

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  2. #22
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by SkvLTD View Post
    @Marcel, which focusing screen does 600 fall in with? I know Nikon groups them together per similar dimensions of the cameras. I might just see if I can procure me one of the split-prisms off ebay like I did with my 5100.

    Else,
    I don't remember exactly, but it's not a split-screen one. It's basically a prism center. There was less choices for the D600 if I remember correctly. I did get it from Focusing Screen. The screen seems to be easier to focus with even outside the prism area. It's not as transparent as the original one so you see more of the screen than through it. This makes it quite easier to focus with 1.4 and 1.2 lenses.
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  3. #23
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Ebay seems to have a $30 range simple 180* split.
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses
    Nikon claims that no DSLR other than their DF model can use non-AI lenses. My D3200, the three lenses pictured below, and I, very much disagree with Nikon on this point. These are all late 1960s or early 1970s vintage lenses, and all of them work just fine on my D3200, albeit with some obvious and expected limitations.

    As with @Marcel, I've installed a third-party focusing screen in my D3200, to better work with these old manual lenses, as it is very difficult to focus them well using the stock focusing screen that comes in the D3200.

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses-csc_2992.jpg
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    Here is a random assortment of pictures, each one taken with one of these lenses, mounted to my D3200.

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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses
    Managed a few snaps @ Fremont last night after the art show. Well, in the art show as well.

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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel View Post
    Both with the D700 and 55 1.2 AIs

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  7. #27
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Nikon claims that no DSLR other than their DF model can use non-AI lenses. My D3200, the three lenses pictured below, and I, very much disagree with Nikon on this point. These are all late 1960s or early 1970s vintage lenses, and all of them work just fine on my D3200, albeit with some obvious and expected limitations.
    That is not entirely true. Nikon says the lenses will not meter, but they will work in fully manual mode - focus, aperture and speed.
    Nikon | Imaging Products | Lens Compatiblity - Nikon D3000
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  8. #28
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Quote Originally Posted by aroy View Post
    That is not entirely true. Nikon says the lenses will not meter, but they will work in fully manual mode - focus, aperture and speed.
    Nikon | Imaging Products | Lens Compatiblity - Nikon D3000
    I do not see where the page to which you provided a link says anything about non-AI lenses, or about lenses that Nikon claims cannot be used at all with the D3000.

    The link which I gave earlier has a table of different old lens types, and an explanation for each type as to what compatibility they do or do not have with modern DSLRs. The very first entry on that table is “Non-AI lenses”, and it has this to say about them:

    Nikkor-Q, -P, -H type, and other non-AI lenses were designed long before digital cameras and cannot be used on any D-SLR or late model film SLR, with the exception of the new Df.

    The Nikon Df body allows for connection of most Non-AI lenses through the use of a newly designed Meter Coupling Lever, which has a hinged tab that folds down for connecting Non-AI lenses.


    In any event, my three non-AI lenses, my D3200, and I do not agree with what Nikon has to say on the subject. These lenses work just fine on my D3200, albeit with the same obvious and expected limitations that apply to all non-CPU lenses. You do know that “non-AI” and “non-CPU” do not mean anything close to the same thing, right?

  9. #29
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    For the D3xxx series all non CPU lenses are clubbed together in the second table. As far as I can make out the difference between AI and non AI lenses is the mechanical linkages used to detect the maximum aperture of the lense, and in case of AIS lens control it.
    https://support.nikonusa.com/app/ans...non-ai-lens%3F

    As the D3xxx series can not even meter with the non CPU lenses, detecting and controlling the aperture is not even considered. That is why Nikon has clubbed all non CPU lenses together for D3xxx lens compatibility.

    In my opinion Nikon could have provided metering to the D3xxx series if it allowed input of maximum aperture of the lense. I have checked - when any lense with "automatic aperture" is mounted, the aperture opens up fully; irrespective of where the aperture ring is set; and closes when the shot is taken. Which means that if the maximum aperture is known then the body can meter.
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  10. #30
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    Re: Let's see those Manual Focus lenses

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses
    Quote Originally Posted by aroy View Post
    For the D3xxx series all non CPU lenses are clubbed together in the second table. As far as I can make out the difference between AI and non AI lenses is the mechanical linkages used to detect the maximum aperture of the lense, and in case of AIS lens control it.
    https://support.nikonusa.com/app/ans...non-ai-lens%3F

    As the D3xxx series can not even meter with the non CPU lenses, detecting and controlling the aperture is not even considered. That is why Nikon has clubbed all non CPU lenses together for D3xxx lens compatibility.

    In my opinion Nikon could have provided metering to the D3xxx series if it allowed input of maximum aperture of the lense [sic]. I have checked - when any lense [sic] with "automatic aperture" is mounted, the aperture opens up fully; irrespective of where the aperture ring is set; and closes when the shot is taken. Which means that if the maximum aperture is known then the body can meter.
    I say again that the link which you provided earlier says nothing about non-AI lenses. It does not include them “clubbed together” with AI lenses. All the lens types mentioned at that link are AI lenses. It lists the varieties of non-CPU lenses that are compatible with the D3000, all of which are AI lenses. It does not list any that are claimed to be completely incompatible therewith. If it did, and if Nikon was consistent with what it claims elsewhere, then the list of lenses claimed to be completely incompatible would include non-AI lenses.

    Here's page 169 of the manual that came with my D3200. Note that none of the lenses claimed to be completely incompatible are mentioned at your link to lenses compatible with the D3000.

    Let's see those Manual Focus lenses-169.jpg

    And, as I said before, I disagree with Nikon on this point. You are correct, that the distinction between AI and non-AI lenses has to do with the mechanics of how the aperture ring is coupled to the camera, though type-G lenses, which do not even have an aperture ring, are apparently considered to be “AI” lenses. The D3??? cameras do not recognize any mechanical aperture ring coupling, so it really makes no difference to them whether the lens is AI or non-AI; and in fact, non-AI lenses seem to work just fine, with exactly the same limitations as non-CPU AI lenses.

    The “CPU” designation, of course, refers to the electronics in the lens, and the means of electronically communicating between the lens and the camera.





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