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    Topaz denoise

    Who uses it and is it worth it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonritter View Post
    Who uses it and is it worth it?
    Jake @BackdoorArts did an in depth thread about how well denoise works. You can read that entire thread here and see his results.

    https://nikonites.com/post-processin...#axzz6lolpwoLU

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    Re: Topaz denoise

    The Topaz stuff has greatly reduced my workflow, and Denoise has saved shots that would have otherwise been too noisy to finish. I use DeNoise AI on just about every wildlife photo I take, as well as Adjust AI. I'll also used Sharpen AI to save shots that have just a bit of movement or are slightly soft. Really good products, and as mentioned if you use that link you'll get 15% off anything you buy regardless of whether or not it's on sale (which Denoise is currently).

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    @BackdoorArts - I know you used to cap your ISO at 4000. Can you say how well DeNoise works on higher ISO images? Or do you still cap at ISO 4000 regardless? The fox image in your tutorial is underexposed since it was capped at ISO 4000. So in theory I understand that when exposure is increased, the noise winds up being about equivalent to a higher ISO image (so possibly equal to at least ISO 5000 or 6400). Just curious if you ever tried DeNoise on an image with a higher ISO than 4000.
    Last edited by hark; 02-08-2021 at 03:09 PM.
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    Re: Topaz denoise

    Cindy... It would be difficult to compare ISO levels without identifying/standardizing on which cameras you're talking about, wouldn't it? A D700 at 6400 is not going to be the same as a D850 at 6400... IOW, depending on your available resources... each person has to test THEIR equipment with DeNoise and determine THEIR individual tolerance for a selected image... DeNoise may be able to correct your D850's ISO 6400 to an acceptable level, and be a total washout for the same image on the D700...

    Additionally, DeNoise has 3 distinctly different Modes of Noise reduction and 4 sliders for each of those modes that alter the amount or type of noise reduction... so the amount of noise reduction for a single image could be almost finite in its variability...

    <this is where I'd upload and insert an image of DeNoise's control panel, but of course the forum software is too obtuse for that to happen, sorry>
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    I agree with @FredKingston that there is a difference in effectiveness regarding ISO limits of different cameras. I know that my limit with my D700 is lower than Z6. I have used Denoise on both cameras. I am very well pleased with those situations when I get to the edge of my cameras limits and need reduce the noise. I like the way that Denoise does it over the way I do it in LR. It surprised me when I downloaded it for the free trial.
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    Re: Topaz denoise

    What they said. LOL

    I still cap at 4000 on the D500 because that's where I'm comfortable knowing that I can still grab feather detail, even if it's slightly underexposed (the D610 is capped at 6400, as was the D750). Brightening exposure in post before applying NR is very much akin to where the noise level would be had I set it higher in the camera, so a severely underexposed image like the Fox would likely be in the 5-figure ISO range, and I've yet to get Denoise AI to clean that up to my satisfaction. But when I denoise first I can almost always get something that will work for me.
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    Re: Topaz denoise

    Quote Originally Posted by jonritter View Post
    Who uses it and is it worth it?
    My wife and I use it and feel that it is well worth it.

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    Re: Topaz denoise

    Quote Originally Posted by FredKingston View Post
    Cindy... It would be difficult to compare ISO levels without identifying/standardizing on which cameras you're talking about, wouldn't it? A D700 at 6400 is not going to be the same as a D850 at 6400... IOW, depending on your available resources... each person has to test THEIR equipment with DeNoise and determine THEIR individual tolerance for a selected image... DeNoise may be able to correct your D850's ISO 6400 to an acceptable level, and be a total washout for the same image on the D700...

    Additionally, DeNoise has 3 distinctly different Modes of Noise reduction and 4 sliders for each of those modes that alter the amount or type of noise reduction... so the amount of noise reduction for a single image could be almost finite in its variability...

    <this is where I'd upload and insert an image of DeNoise's control panel, but of course the forum software is too obtuse for that to happen, sorry>
    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I agree with @FredKingston that there is a difference in effectiveness regarding ISO limits of different cameras. I know that my limit with my D700 is lower than Z6. I have used Denoise on both cameras. I am very well pleased with those situations when I get to the edge of my cameras limits and need reduce the noise. I like the way that Denoise does it over the way I do it in LR. It surprised me when I downloaded it for the free trial.
    Quote Originally Posted by BackdoorArts View Post
    What they said. LOL

    I still cap at 4000 on the D500 because that's where I'm comfortable knowing that I can still grab feather detail, even if it's slightly underexposed (the D610 is capped at 6400, as was the D750). Brightening exposure in post before applying NR is very much akin to where the noise level would be had I set it higher in the camera, so a severely underexposed image like the Fox would likely be in the 5-figure ISO range, and I've yet to get Denoise AI to clean that up to my satisfaction. But when I denoise first I can almost always get something that will work for me.

    In my head I was thinking of a comparable comparison based on the D500. However, unfortunately I didn't convey that thought. I've only shot high ISO with my D750 - up as high as ISO 10k. Quite honestly it wasn't overly bad and probably much better than any DX body at the moment. Thanks for your comments and input.
    Cindy - D750, D500, D7200
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    Re: Topaz denoise

    I use DeNoise and Sharpen AI. I[ve never gotten results even close to as good as with DeNoise when using any other noise removal method. Sharpen AI is great, as well, and actually reduces noise as it sharpens.
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