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    F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    This is really a good article. It's a good read even if it is an advertisement of sorts. It has some great suggestions and I think most of it applies to this community. I think most of us on this website follow the admonitions of what the author is saying. Check it out:

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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    I wouldn't know if it applies here. I can't say I read many negative comments when people post images. Some like it and those that don't, don't like it.

    Only when photos are posted for critique or suggestions, people will point out what they would do different or what they dislike. Personally I'd prefer that too.

    Telling someone their shot is nice only makes them feel good. Telling them what parts suck makes them get better. But critique is something one should ask.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by J-see View Post
    I wouldn't know if it applies here. I can't say I read many negative comments when people post images. Some like it and those that don't, don't like it.

    Only when photos are posted for critique or suggestions, people will point out what they would do different or what they dislike. Personally I'd prefer that too.

    Telling someone their shot is nice only makes them feel good. Telling them what parts suck makes them get better. But critique is something one should ask.
    If this thread makes you think before you critique, then it will be worth it. The article didn't say not to critique...it's more about "how" to critique in a positive way. At least that's what I gathered from it.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Chris, I understand your point, and I agree.

    A critique is very difficult for me..... on both sides of the fence. I consider my type of photography as a creative art. Not necessary good art, but none-the-less, art to me. I'm not producing for anyone except myself. It's my hobby. That's all; a hobby. Do I want others to like my work? Of course. But I know my tastes are quite different from others and what I like doesn't necessarily appeal to others. I'm not being commissioned, so I don't solicit critiques.

    Enough about me.

    As far as another photographers' work is concerned, I tend to shy away from the "forum-posted" appraisal. Only if I feel close enough to the artist, or they specifically ask for an opinion, will I even think about telling them "how I'd do it". When I do have a suggestion, I send it in a Private Message. I am very limited in my technical knowledge and my suggestions are generally esthetic.

    As we have all seen at one time or another, people can be very touchy about their work. If my opinion may, in any way, take away from the artist's enjoyment of his/her work, I keep my mouth shut. So, as you suggested, I think before offering any thing resembling a "critique".
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    I read the article and do like what he said. He has some good points and i could not agree with him more. The internet can be a brutal place. I think a lot of it has to do with people who feel all to comfortable behind a keyboard. These same people would most likely not voice the same words in front of other people.

    With that being said, this forum is rather tame compared to the Fuji forum i sometimes frequent. It is really brutal over there, with a lot of photography snobs who think they are God's gift to photography. But as i said before, it is so easy to type words out.

    Yes, you do have to develop some thick skin. Furthermore, at times, you just have to choose to ignore people or just look from the outside in at times.

    Seeing that photography is very web centric nowadays, it is hard to avoid the masses. You put your photo on a website, that website can be viewed by hundreds of millions of people and only a very tiny percentage have any clue about photography. This is what we face, a world were anyone can post up their "opinion", no matter what and there are some people out there who just get off on being negative and critical.

    As he says, take every critique for what it is. In the end, you will know which ones are genuine and which ones are just windups.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by sonicbuffalo View Post
    If this thread makes you think before you critique, then it will be worth it. The article didn't say not to critique...it's more about "how" to critique in a positive way. At least that's what I gathered from it.
    I know, artists and bleeding hearts and such.

    I personally won't say that sh*t s*cks but will mention what I think. It can be said to the point, or bluntly. There's no reason to wrap critique as if we just ran over their dog and now need to find a good way to tell without them going into cardiac arrest. We're grown people and we know very well we ain't MoMa material.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by J-see View Post
    I know, artists and bleeding hearts and such.

    I personally won't say that sh*t s*cks but will mention what I think. It can be said to the point, or bluntly. There's no reason to wrap critique as if we just ran over their dog and now need to find a good way to tell without them going into cardiac arrest. We're grown people and we know very well we ain't MoMa material.
    It had to happen at some stage i disagree with you i think critique should be done tactfully and intelligently or not at all,its like taking a member of staff for an appraisal you never jump in and hit them with there bad points,it immediately creates a bad feeling,you always start with there strong points and gently take the conversation into there poor performance areas,this is the same with pictures find the strengths mention them and then move into the other areas.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by mikew View Post
    It had to happen at some stage i disagree with you i think critique should be done tactfully and intelligently or not at all,its like taking a member of staff for an appraisal you never jump in and hit them with there bad points,it immediately creates a bad feeling,you always start with there strong points and gently take the conversation into there poor performance areas,this is the same with pictures find the strengths mention them and then move into the other areas.
    That's how they raise children Mike, not adults.

    Personally I try to be as tactful as possible for me but if anyone critiques some of mine, I rather have them say it as is than wrap something up as if a birthday present.
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by J-see View Post
    That's how they raise children Mike, not adults.
    Probably best on this point if we agree to disagree
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    Re: F-Stoppers - Why I Can't Stand the Photographer Community

    Quote Originally Posted by mikew View Post
    Probably best on this point if we agree to disagree
    That's a very tactful way of saying; your opinion sucks.
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