ND Filters

Moab Man

Senior Member
I've purchased my first neutral density filter ND4. My question is can you stack them to achieve a darker ND filter or no? My thinking is either...
YES... other than the fact you have to screw a couple together rather than one, it works great.

NO... it doesn't stack and work like you may think - messes up the reducing of light going through two pieces of glass. You need to have separate filters.

I also keep a UV filter on all my lenses for protection. Before using an ND filter should I be removing it or no it's all good to leave in place.

Thanks for the replies. I'm having fun with and learning with this new toy.
 

Eye-level

Banned
Stacking anything...get a ND 6 or ND 8 if you need the extra latitude...use PP if you need any other effects in addition to what ground the ND provides you...just don't stack the damn filters damnit! :)
 

Eye-level

Banned
The only time you should stack anything is stacking focus with macro or stacking your photography books on the shelf...at least that is how I see it YMMV...
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Every additional piece of glass adds one more layer of noise between the lens and the target, so stacking them is not an optimal way to get a great image. That said, sure you can do it.

First things first, if you're going to shoot with an ND, then take the UV filter off first. More times than not the UV is on there for protective purposes only, and you'll have an ND (or two) on there, so lose the UV. Also remember, when you stack filters you are adding barrel length, which can get in your way on a wide angle. I stacked 2 on a 16-35mm and lost the corners.

Second, I've yet to find an adjustable ND filter that will get you past 6 stops before you get unevenness across the frame. I bought and returned 2 different adjustable ND's and both exhibited the same light & dark areas in the dark 1/3 of the swing. You're also dealing with 2 pieces of glass in these, so even at low values you have 1 more element that you'd otherwise use. I hear there are good ones, but they seem to be prohibitively expensive.

As for stacking, if you've got good filters, go ahead - but don't do more than 2. Also, figure out what you want to achieve with a fixed ND (vs. a gradient, not variable) and buy appropriately - a lesson I learned the hard way. An ND 4 will give you 2 stops, which is something you can get with exposure compensation if you think about it. I found a good deal on and ND 2, 4 & 8 set of Hoyas and bought them figuring, "Heck, if I stack the 4 and 8 how much more would I want?!" The answer is, probably more, especially on a sunny day. My recommendation would be to return the 4 if you can and get at least an 8 (3 stop) to begin with. But if what you're looking for is something that will smooth out running water in the sun, you're going to have to go with a 9 or 10 stop filter, so you might as well start there. I carry an ND 8 and ND 400, figuring that's 12 stops stacked if I ever wanted to do that, which is an awful lot.

One more tip, buy them in the largest size you're likely to use (for me that's 77mm) and then get a set of extender rings for your other filter sizes. I have a good 67-to-77 ring for my 28mm & 85mm 1.8's and a 72-to-77 for my 28-85mm zoom. I also got a set of stacked extenders that will allow me to ramp down to just about anything - just be careful with them and never screw them together even mildly tightly. ;)
 

Rexer John

Senior Member
I was thinking of getting this ND16 (I'm in the UK)
Wanting an ND to suit 3 purposes if possible but not wanting a variable after reading Jakes problem about light and dark areas.
The ND16 is 4 stops, would that be good for my purposes which are...
1. Bright daylight to allow a larger aperture on say a beach shot.
2. Smoothing water, waves, streams, waterfalls.
3. Long exposure with a small aperture in daytime to make walking people disappear from a street shot.

Is it too much to ask from a single non variable ND filter, would I be better with a set of filters?
Not expecting it to suit all needs perfectly but to get a "ball park" ND filter to work around.
For a single filter what would be your choice with the above criteria, they are in order of most needed to least?
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
My first foray out with mine I stacked all 3 of mine (combined 6 stops) and still wanted more. This was on a bright FL morning about an hour after sunrise. Do yourself a favor and don't mess around. Start with an 9 or 10 stop. Yours will help you with #2 in some circumstances, and do little to nothing for the other two.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
One more thing, if you're going to mess with ND filters I strongly recommend this app. Meter normally, go to manual mode setting the same aperture and this will tell you the proper shutter speed, and it has a built in bulb timer if you go beyond 30 seconds.

Three60 Digital Design Co.

And it does stacked filters!!
 

Samsonite

Senior Member
With 10 stops could you actually shoot a 30 second exposure in broad daylight? Or would you be limited to maybe 10 / 15 seconds?


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Rexer John

Senior Member
Using my trusty ND app that Jake advised. It calculates the following...
A 30 second exposure with a 10 stop would need a 1/30th without a filter.
 
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BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Yep, what John said. But think about it, if you're looking to blur moving water then 10 seconds is usually enough, and all you'd need normally there is 1/100 of a second.

If you're looking to remove people from a scene in bright sunshine you may find yourself with the need to stack (a 10 stop and a 3 stop stacked will get you from 1/250 to 32 seconds). Otherwise, a 10 stop will do just about everything you'd want.
 

Rexer John

Senior Member
I wonder if there's a automated process to remove people from a stack of photos?

Obviously wouldn't work if it was too busy but it would be cleaner than a 30 second shutter.
 

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I wonder if there's a automated process to remove people from a stack of photos?

Obviously wouldn't work if it was too busy but it would be cleaner than a 30 second shutter.

It's called getting there early. LOL

It really depends on the number and density of the people. Content aware fill/healing is the only way I know of.
 
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