If you buy from ADORAMA...... READ

BackdoorArts

Senior Member
Nice heads-up, Ted. I don't buy from Adorama, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't. I get warranty extensions from my credit card company already, but I waste more than $8/year on far less worthy things. One purchase with a savings of $10 extra justifies it.
 

RockyNH_RIP

Senior Member
Ted, thanks! I have purchased from them in the past and likely will again... (In fact they have an SB 700 refurb) so I have already signed up right after I read your posting..

Pat in NH
 

omaho5

New member
I saw a lens on the Adorama site that stated "Grey Market." Could someone explain this to me ? Could this mean that the "Feds"' are goint to break down my door
at 3AM ?
I do not wish to be in violation of The Stamp Act.
 

TedG954

Senior Member
I saw a lens on the Adorama site that stated "Grey Market." Could someone explain this to me ? Could this mean that the "Feds"' are goint to break down my door
at 3AM ?
I do not wish to be in violation of The Stamp Act.


"The black market is the trade of illegal and/or stolen goods.

The white market is the trade of legitimate goods.

The gray market falls somewhere in between.

In photography, gray market goods are those imported by anyone other than the authorized distributor or agent.
Gray market goods have no factory warranty, and receive no customer support from the legitimate importer. In the case of digital cameras, you probably won't be able to get software and firmware updates, and may not be able to get service for it no matter how much you are willing to pay, because the very specialized parts and service jigs, firmware and software are only available directly from the legitimate importer, or the manufacturer back in Japan.

Lenses should never be bought gray market either, because they all are loaded with autofocus motors and IS and VR systems today. I've sent my Canon and Nikon lenses in to have their autofocus motors (Nikon 17-35mm AF-S) or IS systems replaced (Canon 28-135 IS) for free, under warranty when they broke. If I had tried to save $50 buying gray-market, I'd have been screwed."

[SIZE=+3]The Gray Market[/SIZE]

"Gray," also called "import" and "direct import," is when a big camera store just emails the foreign manufacturer or some other source in some foreign country and orders a huge container load of gear shipped straight to them. The big camera store sells this themselves, and depending on the foreign exchange rate, can get us a screaming deal since the camera store obviously does not have to bear any of the costs of repairs, employees, advertising and having to support reasonably stable prices as exchange rates fluctuate that the legitimate US office does.

Gray market is OK when the dealer identifies it as such, but criminal when shoddy retailers pass-off gray-market as USA to save themselves a few dollars, and cheat you out of product support and warranty service in the process. Misrepresentation with felonious intent (profit motive) is called fraud.
Gray market product is exactly the same, although it may have a different model number or manuals included with it. For instance, Nikon calls cameras one thing in the USA and something else in the rest of the world, so you know any F80 or F65 you buy in the USA is gray market since the legitimate camera is called N80 or N65 in the USA. Many Nikon USA lenses have the letters "US" as part of the serial number. The D1 cameras have little USA stickers inside the battery compartment. On other products like many manual focus lenses there is no way to tell unless Nikon looks up the serial number the hard way.

Gray market products are obviously not supported by the legitimate importer, so you are on your own if it breaks. If Adorama or B&Hoffer you the choice of gray, they usually back it up with their own warranty, so if it dies you can send it to some non-factory service center at their expense. After the store's warranty expires, the US importer may not even touch it even if you pay them. Nikon usually says that even if you pay them they will not work on gray products, although if you ask them they sometimes have no way of knowing."
 
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BackdoorArts

Senior Member
I agree with Ted's assessment other than the statement about firmware updates. I was able to download and apply firmware updates to my non-grey market D7000 before ever registering the camera with Nikon. The main difference is access to warranty service. GM can save you some money up front, but you lose it the minute you have a repair early on. It's like insurance - if you don't buy it, don't complain when you finally need it and don't have it.
 

HelenOster

Senior Member
This is a pretty good deal.

It's free to sign up and for only $7.95, you can add 12 months to any manufacturer's warranty.



My refurb'd 800 now has a 15 month warranty instead of the original Nikon 90 day warranty. :D


Adorama VIP - It's all about you!

Thanks for posting the heads up - and if you or anyone has any additional queries about the Adorama VIP program, you are most welcome to email me directly: [email protected]


Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
 
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HelenOster

Senior Member
I saw a lens on the Adorama site that stated "Grey Market." Could someone explain this to me ?

This is from the Adorama Website:
Adorama - Frequently Asked Questions Market Information

What is the Grey Market?

"Grey Market," also known as "direct import," are products imported directly into the U.S., and not through the manufacturer's authorized agent/distributor.
Are "Grey Market" products legally imported?

Yes, it is perfectly legal to directly import these products and sell them in the U.S.
What are the advantages of "Grey Market" goods?

There is no factory-authorized middleman involved in the import of these products, so the costs are lower. As a result, the customer pays less. In addition, many items that are in short supply or are not imported at all by the manufacturer's authorized distributors, are available in the "Grey Market."
Are there any disadvantages of "Grey Market" goods?

Because there is no factory-authorized middleman, there is no manufacturer's warranty. However, "Grey Market" products purchased from Adorama are warrantied by Adorama Camera and are returned to Adorama Camera for any warranty repair.
Are there product differences in "Grey Market" goods?

There is no difference in the actual products. In most cases, they are manufactured in the same place by the same people and with the same materials. Occasionally, manufacturers will give them a different name. For example, the Olympus USA Digital Stylus Cameras are called Olympus MJU Cameras in Europe.
What type of warranty does Adorama offer on "Grey Market" goods?

On "Grey Market" products purchased from Adorama, we offer the same warranty as the U.S. warrantied products carry, for a period of one year. The only difference is that the product would need to be shipped to Adorama for warranty service.
Do I need a warranty certificate for repairs on "Grey Market" goods?

No, your Adorama invoice is all you need to get warranty service on "Grey Market" products.
What happens after the warranty expires?

Just like products with an expired manufacturers' warranty, you can take the product to any convenient repair shop and pay for the repair.
Is there "Grey Market" film?

Yes, we carry Kodak film in three versions:
  • U.S. - made in the U.S. for domestic distribution
  • U.S. for export - made in the U.S. for worldwide distribution
  • Grey Market - imported from other countries
Fuji, Ilford and Agfa films are made outside the U.S. In this case, Grey Market means how it came to be imported. The products are the same, but distribution and control determine the difference between U.S. and Grey Market. The main issue with film has always been assurance that it was handled and stored properly during transport to protect its emulsion. For this reason many professionals prefer U.S. film. However, in our experience, we've very rarely encountered any emulsion problems with Grey Market film.

If you need any additional information about buying grey market / direct import from Adorama, you are most welcome to email me directly: [email protected]

Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador
 

Corey @ Faymus Media

Senior Member
This is from the Adorama Website:
Adorama - Frequently Asked Questions Market Information

What is the Grey Market?

"Grey Market," also known as "direct import," are products imported directly into the U.S., and not through the manufacturer's authorized agent/distributor.
Are "Grey Market" products legally imported?

Yes, it is perfectly legal to directly import these products and sell them in the U.S.
What are the advantages of "Grey Market" goods?

There is no factory-authorized middleman involved in the import of these products, so the costs are lower. As a result, the customer pays less. In addition, many items that are in short supply or are not imported at all by the manufacturer's authorized distributors, are available in the "Grey Market."
Are there any disadvantages of "Grey Market" goods?

Because there is no factory-authorized middleman, there is no manufacturer's warranty. However, "Grey Market" products purchased from Adorama are warrantied by Adorama Camera and are returned to Adorama Camera for any warranty repair.
Are there product differences in "Grey Market" goods?

There is no difference in the actual products. In most cases, they are manufactured in the same place by the same people and with the same materials. Occasionally, manufacturers will give them a different name. For example, the Olympus USA Digital Stylus Cameras are called Olympus MJU Cameras in Europe.
What type of warranty does Adorama offer on "Grey Market" goods?

On "Grey Market" products purchased from Adorama, we offer the same warranty as the U.S. warrantied products carry, for a period of one year. The only difference is that the product would need to be shipped to Adorama for warranty service.
Do I need a warranty certificate for repairs on "Grey Market" goods?

No, your Adorama invoice is all you need to get warranty service on "Grey Market" products.
What happens after the warranty expires?

Just like products with an expired manufacturers' warranty, you can take the product to any convenient repair shop and pay for the repair.
Is there "Grey Market" film?

Yes, we carry Kodak film in three versions:
  • U.S. - made in the U.S. for domestic distribution
  • U.S. for export - made in the U.S. for worldwide distribution
  • Grey Market - imported from other countries
Fuji, Ilford and Agfa films are made outside the U.S. In this case, Grey Market means how it came to be imported. The products are the same, but distribution and control determine the difference between U.S. and Grey Market. The main issue with film has always been assurance that it was handled and stored properly during transport to protect its emulsion. For this reason many professionals prefer U.S. film. However, in our experience, we've very rarely encountered any emulsion problems with Grey Market film.

If you need any additional information about buying grey market / direct import from Adorama, you are most welcome to email me directly: [email protected]

Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador

I would purchase the D800E from adorama but I cant afford to throw $250+ in tax. Crutchfield is offering me free shipping, and no tax. $3299.00 out the door. If you can do this price brand new USA model. Let me know. I order the camera in a few hours.
 

Dave_W

The Dude
Nice!! I've been buying from Adorama for years but never knew they had a VIP program! Thanks Ted. And I especially love the 20gig free cloud storage!
 

HelenOster

Senior Member
I would purchase the D800E from adorama but I cant afford to throw $250+ in tax. Crutchfield is offering me free shipping, and no tax. $3299.00 out the door. If you can do this price brand new USA model. Let me know. I order the camera in a few hours.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about the tax; we don't charge it per se, we are obliged to collect it on behalf of the State.
 

HelenOster

Senior Member
Nice!! I've been buying from Adorama for years but never knew they had a VIP program! Thanks Ted. And I especially love the 20gig free cloud storage!

The VIP programe is very new - launched mid- November last year. For me the best part is the $7.95 warranty deal which I will definitely take out myself before I make another purchase!
 

HelenOster

Senior Member
Thats understood. However on large items, it hurts sales. I would never spend big money with adorama due to that issue! When I lived outside New York I used to order all the time. Now I cannot.

There are similar discussions going on here: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-84637-3.html#1434276

and here: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-87478-1.html

At the end of the day - well, year, actually! - and you file your state income tax form............

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but if I was buying out-of-state to avoid taxes, I don't think I'd be posting about it in a public arena!!
 
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jdeg

^ broke something
Staff member
I'm not sure how it is in NY, but in PA you're supposed to pay use tax on anything you write off for business that you didn't pay tax for.
 
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