Former Nikon F2 Photomic 35mm user

peterjcb

New member
Hi all,
I have renewed my interest in photography after a very long time.
I still have my trusty Nikon F2 photomic 35mm film camera that I purchased new back in the early 70's at one of the NYC camera stores.
Since then I've acquired all sorts of point & shoot cameras...Kodak, Canon, Panasonic etc....and a vast array of cell phone cameras, which I must confess has been my primary means of taking photos for many years...:eek:

I'd like to familiarize myself with current available Nikon equipment available now. I am smart enough to realize that the lens is probably more important than the camera when it comes to image quality.
First I'd like to buy a basic good used Nikon camera. I don't need the latest & greatest model, just something basic say 12-16 MP with a respectable ISO range.
I'd also like some suggestions for a GREAT variable wide-angle lens say something like a 12-60 and also a really good 35mm prime lens.
I'm also NOT looking for full frame equipment.
What do ya got? :)

Thanks in advance.
 

Brian

Senior Member
What lenses do you have for the F2?

Several of the Nikon DX format cameras can use Ai lenses, if yours are pre-Ai, they can be converted for ~$25 per lens.

KEH has several used bodies in,

Nikon Digital Camera Bodies - KEH.com

If you don;t mind one a couple of years old, the D200 is solidly made and can take manual focus, Ai lenses. It can also use the older Af lenses that use the motor built into the body. The latest entry level Nikons do not have that feature.
 

pedroj

Senior Member
Hi and welcome...Full Frame D700..DX Crop censer D300....D7000...I have the 16-35mm F4 and 50mm F1.8 that does the job for me..

Lens wise I would buy FF lens....Cheers
 

Brian

Senior Member
Would help to have a budget, and some expectations. Going from a Nikon F2 and Point and Shoots, it's a bit different with DSLR's. Older ones are cheap, work well in good light, have enough resolution for a good 8x10. New ones- "Black Bears in caves at Midnight" as we used to say.
 

Marcel

Happily retired
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I'd suggest the D90 or D7000. They are not the latest and most expensive, but both can get great shots. The 35 1.8 DX is a real bargain. For the widest, either the Tokina 11-16 or the Sigma 10-20 are great values. You could also get a 35-70 2.8 D (older model) that could complete your lens stable.

Welcome to Nikonites.
 

Bob Blaylock

Senior Member
What lenses do you have for the F2?

Several of the Nikon DX format cameras can use Ai lenses, if yours are pre-Ai, they can be converted for ~$25 per lens.

KEH has several used bodies in,

Nikon Digital Camera Bodies - KEH.com

If you don;t mind one a couple of years old, the D200 is solidly made and can take manual focus, Ai lenses. It can also use the older Af lenses that use the motor built into the body. The latest entry level Nikons do not have that feature.

If he's describing the camera as a “Nikon F2 photomic 35mm film camera that I purchased new back in the early 70's”, then he's surely discussing one of the pre-AI variants, and it's likely that most of the lenses he has for it are also pre-AI. In fact,I think that the term “Nikon F2 Photomic ” refers specifically to the same exact model that I have, the F2 with the DP-1 finder, which is the earliest metering finder with the mechanical needle movement; with the “Photomic” name distinguishing it from the base model with the DE-1 finder that had no light meter at all. There were also the DP-2 and DP-3 finders, which had LED-based displays, and made the whole camera an F2S or F2SB respectively, and there were the newer AI-based DP-11 and DP-12 finders which had needle and LED displays respectively, and which made the whole camera an F2A or an F2AS, respectively.

I believe that “officially”, the dF is the only model that is supposed to be able to use pre-AI lenses. I know that the manual for my D3200 claims that non-AI lenses cannot be used on it. I also know that I have used non-AI lenses on my D3200, and they work just fine, albeit with the same obvious limitations that all non-CPU lenses would have.

I'm given to understand that there are some bodies that can be damaged by mounting non-AI lenses on them, but I am unclear as to what distinguishes those that have this vulneability from those, like my D3200, that will accept AI lenses with no such issue.
 

Brian

Senior Member
The Ai series lenses came out in 1977, and several of us bought lenses after buying the bodies. at the time, Nikon offered factory conversion of most non-Ai lenses for $18.50 each, and pretty much did a CLA for that price. The older Nikon bodies could use Ai lenses, it was not until the E-Series lenses and AF lenses dropped the bunny-rabbit ears. The Df meter works with the pre-Ai lenses, has the flip-up coupling. I have a few F2's.

Some repair shops still convert pre-ai lenses to Ai and can even "chip" (digital chip) them.

http://www.aiconversions.com/
 
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peterjcb

New member
THanks for the replies. Here's a photos of the F2. I only have the attached lens. I sold all my darkroom equipment and all my lenses. I had a 105 portrait lens, a 200 telephoto and a 28 wide. Thank God for photoshop, I never want to go into a darkroom again :)
 

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Bob Blaylock

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Here's mine. I only recently found a reference by which I was able to determine, from the serial number, that this camera was manufactured in late 1972. To within a year, it is almost certainly forty years older than my D3200.

 
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Bob Blaylock

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I'd like to familiarize myself with current available Nikon equipment available now. I am smart enough to realize that the lens is probably more important than the camera when it comes to image quality.
First I'd like to buy a basic good used Nikon camera. I don't need the latest & greatest model, just something basic say 12-16 MP with a respectable ISO range.

There's something I've realized, and which you might want to consider.

If I were still shooting film, I'd be quite happy to stick with my F2 for as long as both it and I last. It's over forty years old, definitely not the most modern example of its type, but there is no newer 35mm film camera that can take any better pictures than it can. From its parent, the F, down through its current descendant, the F6, all take essentially the same optics, the same film, and can produce the same image quality.

Digital is a whole different world. The key to a digital camera, of course, is the image sensor. In the F2, the image sensor is called “film”, and no matter how old the camera is, you can use the best and most modern film in it. With a digital camera, unless you get into the really-high end cameras, such as a Hasselblad costing tens of thousands of dollars, you're stuck with whatever sensor around which your camera was manufactured. The sensor is key to image quality, and there are always better sensors coming out, with better cameras built around them (these cameras being better, if for no other reason than the better sensor).

I do not think it as realistic with a digital camera to expect that you will be content to use the same camera over a long period of time, and the further behind it is technologically when you get it, the sooner I think you can expect to become dissatisfied and want to replace it with something more modern.

Consider, for example, the first commercially-available DSLR, the Kodak DCS 100 introduced to the market in 1991, at a price of about $20,000. It was basically a modified Nikon F3, with a digital sensor, and a separate, suitcase-sized data processing and storage unit containing a 200-megabyte hard drive to store the pictures. It had a resolution of only 1.3 megapixels—less than even the crappiest of modern point&shoot digital cameras.

In 1991, it was very impressive, and any photographer would have loved to have one. How satisfied would you be to still be using one today?

How about a Nikon D1, the first pure Nikon DSLR, available in 1999 at a price of $5,500? A true Nikon professional-quality camera, now self-contained (no more suitcase-sized external unit attached to it by a cable). And a whopping 2.7 megapixels of resolution. Again, an impressive camera for its time,and in 1999, who among us wouldn't have loved to have one? But again, the crappiest of modern point&shoot digital cameras has much better resolution. Would you be content, today, with only 2.7 megapixels?

You're thinking you'll be happy with 12-16 megapixels? Are you sure? Perhaps you will. 16 megapixels cant be too bad, since that's the resolution of the D4 which is ostensibly Nikon's current “flagship” model. But most modern DSLRs, including Nikon's bottom-of-the-line D3300, have 24-megapixel resolution, and a few have 36-megapixel resolution. A few years from now, 36 megapixels will probably be the minimum, and we'll probably be seeing even higher resolutions. Will you still be happy with 12 or 16 megapixels then? Maybe you will, but it's something you might want to think about?


I'd also like some suggestions for a GREAT variable wide-angle lens say something like a 12-60 and also a really good 35mm prime lens.

There is something you need to know about lens sizes and DX-format DSLRs. Most of Nikon's DSLR are DX-format, meaning that the sensor is significantly smaller than a standard 35mm frame. They are, in fact, roughly the size of the short-lived APS film format.

You may see references to a “crop factor”, usually specified as being 1.5 for these cameras, but by my own math, 1.55 is actually more accurate. Since the sensor is smaller than a 35mm frame, it will cover a smaller part of the image projected by any lens, making that lens on a DX-format camera equal to a longer lens on a 35mm. That 35mm prime that I think you intended to specify as a wide-angle lens would actually be a standard-length lens for a DX-format camera; equal to a 54.25mm lens on a 35mm camera. If you want the equivalent angle of view on a DX camera that a 35mm lens would give on a 35mm camera, then what you really want is a 35÷1.55=22.6mmm lens. In place of that 12mm to 60mm, what you really want is {12,60}÷1.55 = 7.75mm to 38.7mm.
 
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