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<blockquote data-quote="stmv" data-source="post: 160636" data-attributes="member: 10038">really high ISO shallow dof is a pretty limited use for me,&nbsp; I have the Full frame multi generation cameras, and well,, personally,&nbsp; I don't like the results much past ISO 1200, I'll push to 1600 sometimes, beyound that,, yuck,, even with the lastest sensors and full frame, I still am unhappy with the noise, I do think what I call the natural no noise state of sensors have continued to improve. I remember my first Nikon DSLRs were so bad, anything beyound 200,, and I was hitting the noise removal, and loosing detail. Over time, what I call the natural design point has risen. On my D700 it was close to 800 where I just did not see much effect between 100-800 and I could dial in the exposure/speed/ISO without too much stress.Now with the 800,, it is more like 100-1200, But once the natural design point is exceed, and the gain is upped on the transistors,&nbsp; noise becomes an issue. And, well, I hate NOISE.&nbsp; the evil of photography,,sure sure,, maybe a few artistic use of noise,,, but not most of the time.&nbsp; and ISO 6400,,&nbsp; only under the worse conditions will I personally use this setting.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="stmv, post: 160636, member: 10038"] really high ISO shallow dof is a pretty limited use for me, I have the Full frame multi generation cameras, and well,, personally, I don't like the results much past ISO 1200, I'll push to 1600 sometimes, beyound that,, yuck,, even with the lastest sensors and full frame, I still am unhappy with the noise, I do think what I call the natural no noise state of sensors have continued to improve. I remember my first Nikon DSLRs were so bad, anything beyound 200,, and I was hitting the noise removal, and loosing detail. Over time, what I call the natural design point has risen. On my D700 it was close to 800 where I just did not see much effect between 100-800 and I could dial in the exposure/speed/ISO without too much stress. Now with the 800,, it is more like 100-1200, But once the natural design point is exceed, and the gain is upped on the transistors, noise becomes an issue. And, well, I hate NOISE. the evil of photography,, sure sure,, maybe a few artistic use of noise,,, but not most of the time. and ISO 6400,, only under the worse conditions will I personally use this setting. [/QUOTE]

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