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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ohkphoto" data-source="post: 58013" data-attributes="member: 1573">The only problem with the critique forum is that the critiquing is not standardized and people are not using any kind of criteria . . . not the posters and not the critiquers.  There is such a wide range of abilities on this forum: some new photographers who really don't know what makes a good photograph, so they don't know how to self-critique and get offended when someone makes a suggestion.  There are the "pompous, pro-type photographers" who post for a critique, but don't really want an honest one, and are just daring someone to make a suggestion because they don't really want a suggestion, are defensive and just want an argument.  Then there are all those in the middle who truly want to learn and don't always get the constructive feedback they deserve because, frankly, the ones critiquing get a little "gun-shy".  It's a two-way street.  Photographers, anybody for that matter, need to get a little more "tough-skinned" -- it's called being "growing up"I also teach photography and critiquing is part of every class.  They critique each other's work without knowing whose photo it is.  The critiques become meaningful because they have learned to analyze the elements of photo .  We also deal immediately with the overly-sensitive people.  I think accepting any kind of criticism has to be learned.People are comfortable with a rating system . . . we all went to school with A,B,C, D, F.  Starting with a 5 on a photo (which would be an A) and deducting points for areas in composition, technique, etc. seems logical and something everyone could follow.So, while you have some excellent points, I'm wondering why you haven't shared your knowledge by actually critiquing a photo that has been posted?Thank you for your suggestions, and if you read any of the better critiques offered in the forum, you would see that most know how to offer suggestions (via your method)  Finding 3+ in some photos may not be possible.I watched the whole public education system destroyed because of the whole self-esteem movement.  NOBODY can get an F; EVERYBODY gets a trophy because EVERYBODY is a "winner".  Children stopped learning how to deal with defeat in sports and disappointments in life because everybody wanted them to "feel good".  But that's a different story albeit related to the topic.When I post a photo for critique, I have already analyzed it myself -- I know the good points . . . I don't necessarily need to have those pointed out.  What I usually need feedback for is some area in which I have ambivalent feelings (e.g. should I crop something out or not) and I will state so when I post the photos.</blockquote>

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