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Tamron 150-600 + D??? (advise please)
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<blockquote data-quote="BackdoorArts" data-source="post: 353272" data-attributes="member: 9240"><p>If you want to shoot wildlife, you want to shoot DX. Period. No, <em>really</em>, shoot DX and don't look back. Because it's all about reach first.</p><p></p><p>The D600 and D610 are identical in terms of the sensor and IQ, so consider anything I say about the D600 to be equivalent. I went from the D7000 to a D600 almost 2 years ago and was blown away by the boost in IQ. It <em>is</em> an incredible camera. But, all my birds were now 44% the size in my viewfinder, so I was forced to crop, making my gorgeous 24MP photo an 8-10MP crop. And this with my Sigma 150-500mm. So, I got a D800 figuring I could use it in DX mode and still get 16MP's. So I did, but the sensor on the D800 <em>does</em> demand a slightly steadier hand, and the truth is it's hard to shoot with the center 44% of a screen and keep things where you want them as they move. </p><p></p><p>So, after 16 months of shooting pure FX I bit the bullet and bought a refurb D7100. From the first image I shot I was astounded by the sharpness. The lack of OLPF really<em> does</em> make a difference in the crispness of the lines, and I now had the focal length boost back and I wasn't copping out 80% of a shot any more. Ah, but you point at me and say, "Yes, but now you have to deal with all that noise!!" Really?!</p><p></p><p>Most professional comparisons would rate the differences of images between the D610 and D7100 at ISO 6400 at about 1-1.5 stops different. Meaning that the D7100 at ISO 2400-3200 is about what you get at 6400 with the D610. You know what? I'll take that every day of the week. Because even if I add that extra stop and a half of noise, I don't have to crop down on it, effectively increasing the size and shape of every bit of noise I have to deal with. With wildlife there is no such thing as an apples to apples comparisons with bodies. You're going to be shooting with the longest glass you have, and that means you get more pixels per critter on the DX body, which means you have more information to deal with. So, even if my sensor is a little more noisy at the extremes, I'm likely going to wind up a clearer photo with the D7100 at 6400 than I would cropping in on the D610 at the same ISO.</p><p></p><p>Don't believe me? Here are ISO 6400 shots from the D7100, D600 and D800. Unscientific in that they're all different lighting conditions, yes, but all SOOC. Compare them all, then realize what you're looking at in the D7100 frame will only fill the center 44% of the frame, so when you zoom in, all that noise gets 55% bigger, and you lose 55% of your file size (so that 24MP image is not around 11MP's and those 8x10's turned into 4x5's).</p><p></p><p><em>D7100 at ISO 6400 (100% crop):</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>[ATTACH]111672[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p><em>D600 at ISO 6400 (100% crop):</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em>[ATTACH]111671[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p><em>D800 at ISO 6400 (100% crop):</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>[ATTACH]111673[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>As I said, if you're shooting wildlife you want to shoot DX. Read this <a href="http://photographylife.com/dx-or-fx-for-sports-and-wildlife-photography" target="_blank">DX or FX for Sports and Wildlife Photography</a></p><p></p><p>Then go out and get the D7100.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BackdoorArts, post: 353272, member: 9240"] If you want to shoot wildlife, you want to shoot DX. Period. No, [I]really[/I], shoot DX and don't look back. Because it's all about reach first. The D600 and D610 are identical in terms of the sensor and IQ, so consider anything I say about the D600 to be equivalent. I went from the D7000 to a D600 almost 2 years ago and was blown away by the boost in IQ. It [I]is[/I] an incredible camera. But, all my birds were now 44% the size in my viewfinder, so I was forced to crop, making my gorgeous 24MP photo an 8-10MP crop. And this with my Sigma 150-500mm. So, I got a D800 figuring I could use it in DX mode and still get 16MP's. So I did, but the sensor on the D800 [I]does[/I] demand a slightly steadier hand, and the truth is it's hard to shoot with the center 44% of a screen and keep things where you want them as they move. So, after 16 months of shooting pure FX I bit the bullet and bought a refurb D7100. From the first image I shot I was astounded by the sharpness. The lack of OLPF really[I] does[/I] make a difference in the crispness of the lines, and I now had the focal length boost back and I wasn't copping out 80% of a shot any more. Ah, but you point at me and say, "Yes, but now you have to deal with all that noise!!" Really?! Most professional comparisons would rate the differences of images between the D610 and D7100 at ISO 6400 at about 1-1.5 stops different. Meaning that the D7100 at ISO 2400-3200 is about what you get at 6400 with the D610. You know what? I'll take that every day of the week. Because even if I add that extra stop and a half of noise, I don't have to crop down on it, effectively increasing the size and shape of every bit of noise I have to deal with. With wildlife there is no such thing as an apples to apples comparisons with bodies. You're going to be shooting with the longest glass you have, and that means you get more pixels per critter on the DX body, which means you have more information to deal with. So, even if my sensor is a little more noisy at the extremes, I'm likely going to wind up a clearer photo with the D7100 at 6400 than I would cropping in on the D610 at the same ISO. Don't believe me? Here are ISO 6400 shots from the D7100, D600 and D800. Unscientific in that they're all different lighting conditions, yes, but all SOOC. Compare them all, then realize what you're looking at in the D7100 frame will only fill the center 44% of the frame, so when you zoom in, all that noise gets 55% bigger, and you lose 55% of your file size (so that 24MP image is not around 11MP's and those 8x10's turned into 4x5's). [I]D7100 at ISO 6400 (100% crop): [/I] [ATTACH=CONFIG]111672._xfImport[/ATTACH] [I]D600 at ISO 6400 (100% crop): [/I][ATTACH=CONFIG]111671._xfImport[/ATTACH] [I]D800 at ISO 6400 (100% crop): [/I] [ATTACH=CONFIG]111673._xfImport[/ATTACH] As I said, if you're shooting wildlife you want to shoot DX. Read this [url=http://photographylife.com/dx-or-fx-for-sports-and-wildlife-photography]DX or FX for Sports and Wildlife Photography[/url] Then go out and get the D7100. [/QUOTE]
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