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<blockquote data-quote="WayneF" data-source="post: 264800" data-attributes="member: 12496">No!&nbsp; <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; Concepts like Rembrandt, butterfly, etc, and lighting ratio are local effects, on one small facial area.&nbsp; We cannot do that over a wide area.A 45 degree light at the side of a group will not cover the entire group evenly.&nbsp; Near person is bright, far person is not.&nbsp;&nbsp; So, we give up most of that, and try to light the group evenly. In that way, groups are a rather different subject than &quot;portraits&quot;.There are sort of two categories for lighting groups indoors..1.&nbsp; Put a light in front of each edge of group, aimed in about 45 degrees to overlap in center. This overlap evens out the light falloff from the distant edge lights.&nbsp;&nbsp; This works pretty well for a group of one row.&nbsp; It is about the worst thing possible for a group of multiple rows (because of the shadows not in sync with the camera lens).2.&nbsp; Multiple rows, put one or two lights at the camera (above the camera), if two, aimed out towards edges. The light falls off, but the shadows it makes will agree with the lens... that is, it lights what the lens sees.&nbsp; No really terrible shadows.Outdoors in bright sun becomes more like regular pictures, but shadows are a tough problem, which fill flash can solve (with same issues as indoors).&nbsp;&nbsp; Otherwise, shade is a lot better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WayneF, post: 264800, member: 12496"] No! :) Concepts like Rembrandt, butterfly, etc, and lighting ratio are local effects, on one small facial area. We cannot do that over a wide area. A 45 degree light at the side of a group will not cover the entire group evenly. Near person is bright, far person is not. So, we give up most of that, and try to light the group evenly. In that way, groups are a rather different subject than "portraits". There are sort of two categories for lighting groups indoors.. 1. Put a light in front of each edge of group, aimed in about 45 degrees to overlap in center. This overlap evens out the light falloff from the distant edge lights. This works pretty well for a group of one row. It is about the worst thing possible for a group of multiple rows (because of the shadows not in sync with the camera lens). 2. Multiple rows, put one or two lights at the camera (above the camera), if two, aimed out towards edges. The light falls off, but the shadows it makes will agree with the lens... that is, it lights what the lens sees. No really terrible shadows. Outdoors in bright sun becomes more like regular pictures, but shadows are a tough problem, which fill flash can solve (with same issues as indoors). Otherwise, shade is a lot better. [/QUOTE]

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