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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Revet" data-source="post: 229915" data-attributes="member: 17612">Actually they were shot from the same distance, both at 8 feet.  In the second shot, I did some cropping to show my wife how the face has taken a more 3d look to it versus the very flat first shot with direct flash. It is pretty cool to see that BTW.   I do have a white balance card and use it all the time with the eye dropper in white room, just didn't do it with these shots.  Also, I always shoot in RAW because I am a Lightroom Junky and Raw is so much better to post-process.   I am a little jealous though because I paid twice as much for my white card and if it ever rains, it's toast.  Watch for the off camera shots tomorrow to see what the next level of my photographic learning experience brings me.  BTW, She was about 3 feet from the wall for both shots, is that not far enough??</blockquote>